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View Poll Results: What is Texas?
The South 97 51.87%
The Southwest 22 11.76%
The West 1 0.53%
The Midwest 3 1.60%
Can't categorize it. It's just Texas. 64 34.22%
Voters: 187. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-25-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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I stated "Western Pennsylvania", smart one. I never said Pennsylvania as a whole is Midwestern. Ask someone from Pittsburgh if they consider themselves more like Cleveland or more like Boston.

My quote "That's because western Pennsyvania is Midwestern."
LOL

Is Pittsburgh A Northeast/Mid Atlantic/Mid West Town?

Yinzers pride themselves on being Northeastern.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:18 PM
 
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LOL

Is Pittsburgh A Northeast/Mid Atlantic/Mid West Town?

Yinzers pride themselves on being Northeastern.
Only 40% of the people in that poll said Pittsburgh is northeastern! Do you even look at your own poll?

I can take back about Pittsburgh being midwestern. But you stating it is northeastern is just as absurd as what I said.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:27 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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With the exception of El Paso, Texas is not the Southwest. Eastern New Mexico is not the Southwest so why would Texas be?

Lubbock, Amarillo, Midland, Odessa =/= Southwest

Mexicans =/= Southwest

dry grasslands =/= Southwest
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:51 PM
 
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All of Texas certainly is in the southwestern part of the United States. Louisiana and Arkansas is in the southeastern part of the country and the border between these three states separates the southeast from the southwest.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: USA
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All of Texas certainly is in the southwestern part of the United States. Louisiana and Arkansas is in the southeastern part of the country and the border between these three states separates the southeast from the southwest.
Yeah, there's an iron curtain between Tx Ar and La
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:24 PM
 
Location: The Dirty South.
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Yeah, there's an iron curtain between Tx Ar and La
He has been watching to much john Wayne.
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Old 10-26-2014, 04:58 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Southern is SOOOO much more than just an accent.
Yes, but without the accent there is no southern.
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Old 10-26-2014, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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" Is Texas part of the South?" ...... That was the Op's question. Texas was not broken down into parts or sections in this question or when it joined the Confederacy.. That's why Texas was in the south at the time of the Civil War. The entire state joined the Confederacy. Not just part of it. It's state lines have changed very little, if any, since then. That's why it's still in the South. It hasn't moved or I would have felt it. The correct answer is a simple...YES.

Yes, Texas is part of the south, but apparently you don't want to recognize why others consider it southwestern in nature. I'm just trying to provide a more nuanced argument.

East Texas is solidly part of the south. Anyone who says it's not is incorrect. Central Texas is less southern but still shows some southernness mixed in with some "south westernness". (These two areas comprised the organized part of the republic of Texas) West Texas is different than central and east Texas in many ways. Terrain is different, weather is different. Flora and Fauna is not the same. Settlement patterns were more southwestern in nature (railroads, ranching).

For instance in west Texas you are going to find Chili and Chiles to eat. Neither of which are southern food items. They are more southwestern.


Let's use California as another example. Southern California could (and is many times) considered "southwestern". However, the northern regions of California are not. They are Pacific Northwest.

As far as the borders? The republic of Texas was drastically different than the Texas we know today. When annexed into the Union in 1845 the unorganized territory went clear into Wyoming. By 1850 the shape of today's Texas was being formed by the Missouri compromised. Texas in the 1890's was forced to give up Greer county to the Oklahoma Territory.

Here is an excellent resource which clearly demonstrates what I am trying to demonstrate.

http://www.mapofus.org/texas/


Click to the year 1861. The organized part of Texas? Mostly southern. The Young Territory, the Bexar district, Presidio County and El Paso Counties of 1861 are the parts of Texas that I consider somewhat solidly "southwestern" today.

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Old 10-26-2014, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Ouachita Mtns of Arkansas
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Yes, Texas is part of the south, but apparently you don't want to recognize why others consider it southwestern in nature. I'm just trying to provide a more nuanced argument.

East Texas is solidly part of the south. Anyone who says it's not is incorrect. Central Texas is less southern but still shows some southernness mixed in with some "south westernness". (These two areas comprised the organized part of the republic of Texas) West Texas is different than central and east Texas in many ways. Terrain is different, weather is different. Flora and Fauna is not the same. Settlement patterns were more southwestern in nature (railroads, ranching).

For instance in west Texas you are going to find Chili and Chiles to eat. Neither of which are southern food items. They are more southwestern.


Let's use California as another example. Southern California could (and is many times) considered "southwestern". However, the northern regions of California are not. They are Pacific Northwest.

As far as the borders? The republic of Texas was drastically different than the Texas we know today. When annexed into the Union in 1845 the unorganized territory went clear into Wyoming. By 1850 the shape of today's Texas was being formed by the Missouri compromised. Texas in the 1890's was forced to give up Greer county to the Oklahoma Territory.

Here is an excellent resource which clearly demonstrates what I am trying to demonstrate.

State and County Maps of Texas


Click to the year 1861. The organized part of Texas? Mostly southern. The Young Territory, the Bexar district, Presidio County and El Paso Counties of 1861 are the parts of Texas that I consider somewhat solidly "southwestern" today.
I'm not saying that anyone else is incorrect when they break Texas down into different areas or 'cultures'. I'm just answering the OP's question starting with about 1861. Then, IMO, Texas is the South and always will be.
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Old 10-26-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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Yes, Texas is part of the south, but apparently you don't want to recognize why others consider it southwestern in nature. I'm just trying to provide a more nuanced argument.

East Texas is solidly part of the south. Anyone who says it's not is incorrect. Central Texas is less southern but still shows some southernness mixed in with some "south westernness". (These two areas comprised the organized part of the republic of Texas) West Texas is different than central and east Texas in many ways. Terrain is different, weather is different. Flora and Fauna is not the same. Settlement patterns were more southwestern in nature (railroads, ranching).

For instance in west Texas you are going to find Chili and Chiles to eat. Neither of which are southern food items. They are more southwestern.


Let's use California as another example. Southern California could (and is many times) considered "southwestern". However, the northern regions of California are not. They are Pacific Northwest.

As far as the borders? The republic of Texas was drastically different than the Texas we know today. When annexed into the Union in 1845 the unorganized territory went clear into Wyoming. By 1850 the shape of today's Texas was being formed by the Missouri compromised. Texas in the 1890's was forced to give up Greer county to the Oklahoma Territory.

Here is an excellent resource which clearly demonstrates what I am trying to demonstrate.

State and County Maps of Texas


Click to the year 1861. The organized part of Texas? Mostly southern. The Young Territory, the Bexar district, Presidio County and El Paso Counties of 1861 are the parts of Texas that I consider somewhat solidly "southwestern" today.
OK, the argument for CHILES I understand. But CHILI? They love that stuff in Cincy and no one considers THAT town Southwestern. Southwestern OHIO, yes.
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