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Old 10-17-2014, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Nah, it was actually all the recent East Coast and Midwest transplants who ruined Portland.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Just wanted to make sure all the "____ ruined Portland" cliches were covered...




For the OP, honestly, are you looking for a vibrant big city that has what you've described or would you be happy with a medium or smaller place? Because there's places all over that are more traditional and blue collar still, but a lot of them are a little quieter and can be a little slow. Like Spokane, Washington or Jacksonville, Florida or places that are more conservative like Colorado Springs or Oklahoma City, but they might seem a little slow to some.

Or there's plenty of places with old school blue collar culture in the Midwest or Northeast, but economically they might be a mixed bag(and plenty of those places are starting to see or have been gentrified as well, it's just a fact of life in the modern urban economy). I mean, people I know from there always describe Cleveland as sort of no-nonsense place, but they're seeing some changes as well(just like Pittsburgh has been changing lately).

Though even in the most trendy places, once you get out into the metro it's often a much different story with a more conservative old school environment. I mean Denver doesn't have many younger "hipster" types once you leave a few neighborhoods, even Portland and Seattle are pretty average if you just head out to the suburbs. Most places in the Mountain West once you leave the few sort of "hip" areas are pretty much the domain of football fans driving pickup trucks.
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Old 10-17-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.

^^^someone who chooses to see reality instead of self-delude.


Thank you.



As Min so succinctly responded um, no. The collective majority of the indigenous folks( I have quite a few friends born in PDX) here emphatically point square at Cali folks being the usurpers and destroyers of their once, unique and maverick culture. No, anyone who has any traveling under their belt and any firsthand knowledge of both coasts and their peoples, can firmly ascertain that it's the entire west coast -it's soooo trendy to be a liberal and intellectual- motif that has thoroughly gutted this landscape and made it into some disgusting vanilla candyland for care bears who decry gentrification yet are the very harbingers of such ethnic displacement and cultural ruination.


...Ya really simply can't plaster up a shiny new sign for a shiny new boutique, selling shiny yuppified baubles, and in any way, believe that you aren't totally power washing over everything that once originally was, and setting the precedent for glitter sans substance and dollars sans genuine service and kindness.


In my own humble opinion, Portland is now solely suited to those certain demnographics who have oodles of cash and a -sexy!- flashy, trendy, smacks-of-effort look about them.


I've lived in too many west coast cities with this one and only type of inhabitant just basically taking it over and repainting it in their own "festive" colors.


Me personally? I like real people. Not false fronts that are easily spotted a mile away and consist of nothing more than a few vague and very phony pleasantries overloaded with a saccharin tonality that is anything but truly caring.



Truth is, I'll never set foot in any major West Coast city ever again.


Because they're all the same. And their respective people are all one in the same category of cookie cutter sheltered young(or middle-aged) pretentious, empty, schemeing, self-serving pseudo-aristocrat.



No matter how small I end up having to downsize, I -will- find a city where the people are still people and not gingerbread men and women..
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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What cities have you been considering?
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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It looks like the questions have been answered: Living Car-Free In the Downtown Core - Can it be done?
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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Fort Wayne, IN? Tulsa, OK? Hagerstown, MD? Bristol, TN/VA?
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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Try anywhere in cattle country: Wyoming, Montana, parts of Idaho, the Dakotas.
More than half of Oregon and even Washington could be considered "cattle country" too.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Fayetteville, Arkansas
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Old 10-17-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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More than half of Oregon and even Washington could be considered "cattle country" too.
I was in Yakima, Washington this summer and found it thoroughly Republicanville, USA.
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Old 10-17-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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As Min so succinctly responded um, no. The collective majority of the indigenous folks( I have quite a few friends born in PDX) here emphatically point square at Cali folks being the usurpers and destroyers of their once, unique and maverick culture.
Ha, ha...I've lived in Oregon for 15 years(and was born in California), and my wife and pretty much all my friends are people who grew up here, and honestly Oregonians and Washingtonians would blame the weather, the eruption of Mt. St. Helens, and the Holocaust on Californians if they could. I just think it's funny though when even transplants from other states start complaining about Californians, when there's just as many people from the Midwest and Northeast who move out here who fit the profile of what you hate. A lot of them these days--it seem like every kid with a beard and a bike is from Michigan or Massachusetts. Meanwhile a certain bunch of locals get rich and richer in developing condos...

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No, anyone who has any traveling under their belt and any firsthand knowledge of both coasts and their peoples, can firmly ascertain that it's the entire west coast -it's soooo trendy to be a liberal and intellectual- motif that has thoroughly gutted this landscape and made it into some disgusting vanilla candyland for care bears who decry gentrification yet are the very harbingers of such ethnic displacement and cultural ruination.
Everyone I know in Portland for the most part sort of rolls their eyes and shrugs at what's happening to the city with yuppification(and now a lot of old bars are closing this year), yet a lot of people still partake in going to the new bars and restaurants--or try to ignore it and just go hiking and fishing. The thing is though, it's not even the entirety of the metro area or the state(there's rodeos an hour south of Portland)--so the idea that it's the entire West Coast is a little broad. When I go to visit friends out in New England I see just as much gentrification in the trendy places--it seems about the same demographic as certain West Coast cities. And a lot of cities are going for that demographic, because they're looking to up their tax base and rake in some re-development dollars.

But honestly, most of the US fits what you say you want--most of the country in area if not population is covered with traditional conservative folks. Just pick any place that isn't one of the usually listed "top cities for twentysomethings to move to" or avoid all college towns...

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