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Old 11-22-2014, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Then move to Japan.
Actually my country is very safe too

Top 10 Safest Countries In The World

 
Old 11-22-2014, 06:13 PM
 
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Actually my country is very safe too

Top 10 Safest Countries In The World
... and it has the THIRD HIGHEST gun ownership rate in the modern civilized world.
 
Old 11-22-2014, 06:26 PM
 
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You think the gun stats in the USA arent a problem?
Address the link.
Do 100,000 people get shot every year in U.S.? Facebook post says yes | PolitiFact
I tear it apart below, and thanks for just ignoring my debunking of your absurd claim that the US has an extremely violent culture, shows how strong your claim actually was.....


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That happened once? In America like 100 000 people get shot every year
Looks like both of you need to read the link you are citing.

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It says that "nearly 100,000 people get shot every year," which to us suggests that a victim is being shot by someone else. In reality, a significant majority of gun deaths comes from self-inflicted firearm wounds.
Want to talk about non-fatal shooting? A quarter of those are accidents, law enforcement, or self-harm. To go further, a majority of the left over injuries are gang related.

These are by the same CDC numbers provided in your link.


So no, guns are not the problem, suicide and gangs are.
 
Old 11-22-2014, 08:12 PM
 
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^ I've always said that guns are not the problem, people are. We need to deal with the mentally ill before we outlaw guns and attack the second amendment. Have you heard the latest on Adam Lanza, Sandy Hook shooter? Off his meds the psychiatrist recommended he be on, his mother knew and let him remain med-free. He was on the autism spectrum, had OCD, and an anxiety disorder. He was a ticking time bomb and no one cared. 20 kids died because he was ill, not because of guns. Guns were just the tool. This is common in mass shootings, at least.
 
Old 11-22-2014, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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Originally Posted by jambo101 View Post
You think the gun stats in the USA arent a problem?
Address the link.
Do 100,000 people get shot every year in U.S.? Facebook post says yes | PolitiFact
SOURCES of info for the following:

Gun Policy. org:......In 2011 there were 32,163 DEATHS (in the USA) attributed to Firearms: (Suicides, accidental deaths, deaths attributed to the use of a Firearm by LAW ENFORCEMENT etc. are all included in this number)

U.S. Census Bureau.org:.........In 2011 there were 32,479 DEATHS (in the USA) attributed to Motor Vehicle Accidents.

Go ahead, check the numbers for yourself.....................................

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Old 11-23-2014, 02:36 AM
 
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I tear it apart below, and thanks for just ignoring my debunking of your absurd claim that the US has an extremely violent culture, shows how strong your claim actually was.....




Looks like both of you need to read the link you are citing.

Taken directly from the link:



Want to talk about non-fatal shooting? A quarter of those are accidents, law enforcement, or self-harm. To go further, a majority of the left over injuries are gang related.

These are by the same CDC numbers provided in your link.


So no, guns are not the problem, suicide and gangs are.

To you this isnt a problem?
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The numbers in the Facebook post are close to accurate, as long as you make one major assumption -- that suicides count as "get(ting) shot." We think that assumption is debatable, but there is no question that at least 100,000 people did die or become injured from firearms. On balance, we rate this claim Mostly True.
Doesnt really matter IMO whether some one shoots some one or they shoot themselves or they have an accident you still have a corpse or some one in hospital with a gun shot wound..
Another 300 people will get shot today 87 of whom will die.
How would those numbers change if there were no guns?.
 
Old 11-23-2014, 02:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Montana Griz View Post
SOURCES of info for the following:

Gun Policy. org:......In 2011 there were 32,163 DEATHS (in the USA) attributed to Firearms: (Suicides, accidental deaths, deaths attributed to the use of a Firearm by LAW ENFORCEMENT etc. are all included in this number)

U.S. Census Bureau.org:.........In 2011 there were 32,479 DEATHS (in the USA) attributed to Motor Vehicle Accidents.

Go ahead, check the numbers for yourself.....................................

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The analogy is not applicable as we are talking guns not cars. And your logic that because people die in car accidents its ok that people die by guns doesnt work because people need cars they dont need guns.
 
Old 11-23-2014, 03:45 AM
 
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To you this isnt a problem?

Doesnt really matter IMO whether some one shoots some one or they shoot themselves or they have an accident you still have a corpse or some one in hospital with a gun shot wound..
Another 300 people will get shot today 87 of whom will die.
How would those numbers change if there were no guns?.
Hey, look who needs a question answered three times before they get it. No, your intentionally disingenuous numbers are not a problem. If you think that the number of people shot is a problem, that does not automatically mean that GUNS are a problem. Not to a sane, logical person, anyway.

Your question about "what if there were no guns?" is flatly stupid. There are guns, period. What are you going to do, outlaw them? I am sure that would stop all the suicides and gang shootings... as those demographics are unlikely to break the law... oh wait.


Regardless, your original claim that America has an extremely violent culture was completely false, and I exposed it as so, so now you just keep repeating your intentionally disingenuous statistic like it negates the fact that your premise is wrong.

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Old 11-23-2014, 03:53 AM
 
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The analogy is not applicable as we are talking guns not cars. And your logic that because people die in car accidents its ok that people die by guns doesnt work because people need cars they dont need guns.
Yes they do. People need guns.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

We know you couldn't give a crap about a free state, but to some of us, it is the most important political goal. You wan't to talk stats? What single thing killed the most people in the 20th century?

Governments killing their own people, not counting wars.

That was the single highest cause of death. How do you prevent it? Arm the populace.


People don't need fatty foods, they don't need cigarettes, but those two things are the two leading causes of death in the USA. Why aren't fatty foods and cigarettes banned? Some of us believe in freedom. It is fine that you don't, but leave us, the residents of the only country founded explicitly on the concept of freedom, alone.
 
Old 11-23-2014, 04:59 AM
 
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Personally I believe America's 'gun obsession' is misinterpreted.. I think Americans have a healthy self-defense obsession, and guns are the most effective facilitator of that self-defense. Guns are a means to this end.

People who are focused on demonizing guns, don't care, or understand, the deeper need & meaning of guns. That's why I believe these critics are solely focused on the tragic & crazy stories of guns. They don't balance those accounts with all the heroic self-defense stories of guns (ie- people w/guns protecting themselves during violent home invasions, fighting off rapists, etc). The self-defense obsession solidified with colonial America's experience in dealing w/an overbearing, tyrannical royal government, that became the guarantor of our gun ownership..
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