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Old 10-20-2014, 01:55 AM
 
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Here's what I think:

Washington- If we were to take away Seattle, the state would likely be purple. Areas like Tacoma, Bellingham, and Olympia would probably prevent it from being solid red.

Oregon- Same as Washington, take away Portland and the state isn't so blue anymore.

Illinois- I think the state seems pretty conservative/moderate outside of Chicago?

Pennsylvania- I could definitely see it trending red without Philly

Colorado- I still see it as a purple state, but thought it was worth a mention. It would be solidly red without Denver.

Not sure about other places, I'm not too big of an expert, but I still see places like California, Hawaii, and most of New England still voting Democrat even without their biggest cities. Not sure about everywhere else, there's a lot that haven't been mentioned of course.

What do you think?
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Keizer, OR
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If you took out LA and San Francisco from California, the state would be more conservative. The only people voting democrat would be the Mexicans, who are still generally socially conservative.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I think a lot of states would go that way. Look at the county-by-county maps after any election and the blue is nearly always concentrated in the cities, outside of left-leaning states like Vermont. Flip your question, and states like Georgia and Texas would be solidly blue if the rural and smaller cities were taken out of the mix.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Obviously removing any city from its state will make it more conservative, but in many states the "blue" areas extend well into the first-ring suburbs. I know I've looked at it before, and Obama would still have won (albeit more narrowly) New York and Pennsylvania without NYC and Philly respectively.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Illinois is the biggest example I can think of.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Just goes to show that cities and their metro areas are much more important than states in America.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Obviously removing any city from its state will make it more conservative, but in many states the "blue" areas extend well into the first-ring suburbs. I know I've looked at it before, and Obama would still have won (albeit more narrowly) New York and Pennsylvania without NYC and Philly respectively.
He would would have won New York without NYC but would have lost Pennsylvania without Philadelphia.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I wrote this a while back.

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I also wanted to address the "New York only votes more Democratic than Pennsylvania because NYC is so monstrously big" argument. That's simply not true. You could actually remove the entire NYC MSA, Buffalo and Rochester from New York State and the state as a whole would still vote Democratic.

So let's pretend that NYC, Long Island, Westchester, Rockdale, Buffalo and Rochester had simply evaporated the night before Election Day.

NYS - NYC - Long Island - Westchester - Rockdale - Buffalo - Rochester = 52.9% Obama

That's higher than the 52.0% of Pennsylvania voters that cast a vote for Obama. And that's after wiping out New York's biggest cities completely. Now let's do the same thing for Pennsylvania, removing only Philadelphia.

Pennsylvania - Philadelphia = 51.8% Romney

So it's not true that NYC is carrying the state to consistent Democratic victories. While the city accounts for nearly 44% of the state's population, it's only about a third of the state's voting population. The reason why New York votes consistently Democratic has as much to do with its rural areas and small towns as it does its big cities. Philadelphia, on the other hand, is carrying its state to Democratic victories to an extent that NYC is not. And that's because there are so many more Republican votes in rural Pennsylvania to offset.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:33 AM
 
Location: USA
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Pennslyvania and Delaware maybe.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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He would would have won New York without NYC but would have lost Pennsylvania without Philadelphia.
He would have won Pennsylvania without Philadelphia in 2008 though.
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