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Old 10-23-2014, 12:19 PM
 
Location: LoS ScAnDaLoUs KiLLa CaLI
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Well this is awkward...
You know what else is awkward? Hating someone based off of where they may have lived in the past. That sounds awkward too.
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Old 10-23-2014, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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You know what else is awkward? Hating someone based off of where they may have lived in the past. That sounds awkward too.
Dang dude, you're pretty hostile... I am sometimes annoyed/amused by some Californians but I don't *hate* anyone... except maybe talking during movies and chewing with the mouth open. That I definitely hate.
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Old 10-23-2014, 12:40 PM
 
Location: LoS ScAnDaLoUs KiLLa CaLI
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Dang dude, you're pretty hostile... I am sometimes annoyed/amused by some Californians but I don't *hate* anyone... except maybe talking during movies and chewing with the mouth open. That I definitely hate.
The premise of this whole thread is pretty ridiculous though. Sorry if I came off as hostile, but really, what is a perfect person then?

Transplants to different areas naturally compare it to the area they used to live in because that's all they can compare it to. I used to think it was semi-insulting, but it's hard to form a frame of reference if you have nothing else to compare it to?

That's what this thread really is all about. I don't think people hate Californians, New Yorkers, Texans..that would be dumb.
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Old 10-23-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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You do realize that a large chunk of Vegas' residents used to live in California, correct? They come here to escape the joke that is California's cost of living. So bash Vegas all you want if it makes you feel better about yourself... I like not having a state income tax and a property tax of less than one percent Not to mention housing that's 1/4 of the price that it would be in LA/SF.
To paint Las Vegas as some sort of low-cost paradise compared to LA or SF is laughable. Nevada has to be one of the worst states in the entire country in terms of education, crime, physical and psychological health and well-being, and upward economic and social mobility. Las Vegas in particular truly leaves much to be desired on multiple levels, reinforced by the overabundance of extremely negative statistics such as:

1. Highest unemployment rate of any major city in the US
2. Highest percentage full-time employees without health and other non-salary benefits
3. Highest suicide rate
4. Highest divorce rate
5. One of the highest abortion rates
6. Dead-last public educational system, mostly due to low childhood literary and academic achievement rates
7. Lowest child well-being rates
8. One of the highest violent crime rates of any US city, making NV one of the most dangerous US states overall
9. One of the least educated cities (i.e., lowest percentage of residents with a bachelor's degree or higher)
10. One of the poorest major cities
11. One of the most mentally/emotionally depressed cities in the country
12. One of the "smokiest" cities in the country
13. Fewest institutions of higher education and F1000 companies per capita
14. Highest home foreclosure rate

As you can see, the list goes on and on. Nevada is, arguably, the worst state in the country for uneducated/unskilled workers, families with children, and upwardly mobile professionals whose career aspirations fall outside the bounds of the scuzzy casino industry.

But there's no state income tax, and you can buy a three-bedroom, two-bath tract home in a shiny new neighborhood for $139,000.

Besides, most of the California ex-pats who live in Vegas aren't from LA or SF--they're from the Inland Empire, High Desert, or Central Valley--bleak areas that, like Vegas, truly leave much to be desired.

Please, don't sicken me.
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Old 10-23-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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Wow, will you look at that sunset!

It's nice, but the sunsets in California are GORGEOUS.

Mmmm. I love this weather. My favorite time of year.

Yeah, but you know in California it is always like this.

Oh, look at that waterfall. Spectacular.

I take it you have never seen Yosemite Falls?

Let me tell you about this nice little restaurant I discovered last weekend.

All the restaurants here taste like they serve canned dogfood. Nothing compares to Californian food.

Ad nauseum.

Granted not all Californians are like that, and it is an attitude not exclusive to Californians, but it is pretty darn common.
^I lived through this, it didn't make me hate Californians or its transplants. Although some of the ignorant questions and remarks I got about being from the Midwest made me question if they understood that the sun set on the rest of the country too.
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Old 10-23-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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Thank you for making a perfect example of what I'm talking about by trying to make this discussion about the city I live in. I understand you feel the need to put yourself above everyone else.

You do realize that a large chunk of Vegas' residents used to live in California, correct? They come here to escape the joke that is California's cost of living. So bash Vegas all you want if it makes you feel better about yourself... I like not having a state income tax and a property tax of less than one percent Not to mention housing that's 1/4 of the price that it would be in LA/SF.

The best part about my job is I get to meet people from all over the US and World everyday and just have real, unfiltered conversations with them... It gives you a great perspective on things.

Texans are proud but extremely friendly and usually have great senses of humor... Warm.
A huge majority of the people I meet from California are LA and SF people... Lots of airheads and not just the young ones, either (although I do love how much the young ones are out of touch with reality). Most feel they tower above the average US citizen.

The difference?

Texans: "Mayn, I luv thys stayte."
Californians: "God, I feel like hella sorry for your crappy state"
Heh. You do realize I was just talking about Vegas and not the entire state of Nevada, right? I wasn't even bashing Vegas either, as I was simply stating truths. You would have to be crazy to think that suburban sprawl in the desert, in a region of constant drought, is even somewhat logical. The reality of our region is that we can't have greater Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Phoenix continue to grow at the same pace, and economically, Vegas is the least important of the three (it is even below the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario metro area). So I don't see why the region should continue to support its existence and the cities policies are far behind both LA and Phoenix.

Phoenix sprawls too, but at least it has embraced its desert reality, and xeriscaping there has been the norm for a while now.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:57 PM
 
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I rather like Californians.
They're pretty chill, laid back, secular, common sensical people for the most part.
A little eccentric at times, but I certainly don't mind that.
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Old 10-23-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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To paint Las Vegas as some sort of low-cost paradise compared to LA or SF is laughable. Nevada has to be one of the worst states in the entire country in terms of education, crime, physical and psychological health and well-being, and upward economic and social mobility. Las Vegas in particular truly leaves much to be desired on multiple levels, reinforced by the overabundance of extremely negative statistics such as:

1. Highest unemployment rate of any major city in the US
2. Highest percentage full-time employees without health and other non-salary benefits
3. Highest suicide rate
4. Highest divorce rate
5. One of the highest abortion rates
6. Dead-last public educational system, mostly due to low childhood literary and academic achievement rates
7. Lowest child well-being rates
8. One of the highest violent crime rates of any US city, making NV one of the most dangerous US states overall
9. One of the least educated cities (i.e., lowest percentage of residents with a bachelor's degree or higher)
10. One of the poorest major cities
11. One of the most mentally/emotionally depressed cities in the country
12. One of the "smokiest" cities in the country
13. Fewest institutions of higher education and F1000 companies per capita
14. Highest home foreclosure rate

As you can see, the list goes on and on. Nevada is, arguably, the worst state in the country for uneducated/unskilled workers, families with children, and upwardly mobile professionals whose career aspirations fall outside the bounds of the scuzzy casino industry.

But there's no state income tax, and you can buy a three-bedroom, two-bath tract home in a shiny new neighborhood for $139,000.

Besides, most of the California ex-pats who live in Vegas aren't from LA or SF--they're from the Inland Empire, High Desert, or Central Valley--bleak areas that, like Vegas, truly leave much to be desired.

Please, don't sicken me.
Since this has developed into a Hate Vegas thread, let me inform some fools...

That list is adorable...

#3 How many of the people who commit suicide here live here? Not many and there has been plenty of research done on this. Inform yourself.

#14 You really need to do a little research on CURRENT foreclosure rates... pretty much every major city in the state of Florida has a worse foreclosure rate than Vegas does... as well as Chicago.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-ci...te-2014-2?op=1

#6, #9, #13 You are also very far off when it comes to education in Las Vegas. Have a look at this link:
The U.S. Cities Getting Smarter The Fastest - Forbes
My favorite part is the third paragraph -- ..."In fact, during the first decade of the 21st century, the number of college graduates in Las Vegas increased by a remarkable 78%, the biggest jump in the nation over the period"

#8 ... and now according to you (with no statistical backup whatsoever), you claim the city of Las Vegas has "one of the highest violent crime rates of any US city" ...

This is a simple chart showing crime rates for cities over 250,000 people in the US... data is shown per 100,000 people.
United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are 26 other major cities that have worse violent crime than Vegas... including Oakland and Stockton.

What about murder... seems like a pretty important crime statistic...
Long Beach, Sacramento, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Bakersfield, Fresno, Stockton and Oakland all have a worse ranking.

Even motor vehicle theft...
Riverside, Santa Ana, San Diego, Long Beach, San Francisco, Sacramento, Stockton, Fresno, San Jose, Bakersfield and Oakland all rank worse.

Maybe property crime will be better...
Riverside, Sacramento, San Francisco, Bakersfield, Fresno, Stockton and Oakland all rank worse... again.

Sooooo... uhm..
That list was weak.
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Old 10-23-2014, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Originally Posted by 8to32characters View Post
To paint Las Vegas as some sort of low-cost paradise compared to LA or SF is laughable. Nevada has to be one of the worst states in the entire country in terms of education, crime, physical and psychological health and well-being, and upward economic and social mobility. Las Vegas in particular truly leaves much to be desired on multiple levels, reinforced by the overabundance of extremely negative statistics such as:

1. Highest unemployment rate of any major city in the US
2. Highest percentage full-time employees without health and other non-salary benefits
3. Highest suicide rate
4. Highest divorce rate
5. One of the highest abortion rates
6. Dead-last public educational system, mostly due to low childhood literary and academic achievement rates
7. Lowest child well-being rates
8. One of the highest violent crime rates of any US city, making NV one of the most dangerous US states overall
9. One of the least educated cities (i.e., lowest percentage of residents with a bachelor's degree or higher)
10. One of the poorest major cities
11. One of the most mentally/emotionally depressed cities in the country
12. One of the "smokiest" cities in the country
13. Fewest institutions of higher education and F1000 companies per capita
14. Highest home foreclosure rate

As you can see, the list goes on and on. Nevada is, arguably, the worst state in the country for uneducated/unskilled workers, families with children, and upwardly mobile professionals whose career aspirations fall outside the bounds of the scuzzy casino industry.

But there's no state income tax, and you can buy a three-bedroom, two-bath tract home in a shiny new neighborhood for $139,000.

Besides, most of the California ex-pats who live in Vegas aren't from LA or SF--they're from the Inland Empire, High Desert, or Central Valley--bleak areas that, like Vegas, truly leave much to be desired.

Please, don't sicken me.
Here's another link to sicken you...

Hollywood Tax Hikes: What's Happening In Vegas Stays In Vegas - Forbes

Again, this has to be my favorite part...

"But why should Californians move to Arizona to save 5% or more off their personal income tax burdens when they could move to a dry, sunny climate nearby and pay no state income tax? Thatís precisely what many Californians have concluded for themselves by relocating to Nevada (where there is no personal income tax).

Between 1995 and 2010, the greater Las Vegas area added more than 232,000 new residents. More than 118,000 came from California. Nearly 60,000 alone left the Hollywood area for better opportunity in Vegas. Economists would bet that, once a move is imminent, more Californian wealth would choose Las Vegas over Phoenix due in part to the favorable tax advantages that Nevada offers.

That is precisely what has happened. More than $5.3 billion in net adjusted gross income has left California counties for the greater Las Vegas region. Californians account for 46% of all working wealth that has moved into the Las Vegas area since 1995. States without a personal income tax, like Nevada, know that what is produced in Vegas will stay in Vegas."

So hate on Vegas all you want... clearly MANY people from California realize what Vegas really provides for it's residents.
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Old 10-23-2014, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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Here's another link to sicken you...

Hollywood Tax Hikes: What's Happening In Vegas Stays In Vegas - Forbes

Again, this has to be my favorite part...

"But why should Californians move to Arizona to save 5% or more off their personal income tax burdens when they could move to a dry, sunny climate nearby and pay no state income tax? Thatís precisely what many Californians have concluded for themselves by relocating to Nevada (where there is no personal income tax).

Between 1995 and 2010, the greater Las Vegas area added more than 232,000 new residents. More than 118,000 came from California. Nearly 60,000 alone left the Hollywood area for better opportunity in Vegas. Economists would bet that, once a move is imminent, more Californian wealth would choose Las Vegas over Phoenix due in part to the favorable tax advantages that Nevada offers.

That is precisely what has happened. More than $5.3 billion in net adjusted gross income has left California counties for the greater Las Vegas region. Californians account for 46% of all working wealth that has moved into the Las Vegas area since 1995. States without a personal income tax, like Nevada, know that what is produced in Vegas will stay in Vegas."

So hate on Vegas all you want... clearly MANY people from California realize what Vegas really provides for it's residents.
An unsustainable way of life?
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