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View Poll Results: Most Liberal State?
Iowa 11 20.75%
Illinois 31 58.49%
Indiana 0 0%
Michigan 10 18.87%
Ohio 1 1.89%
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Old 10-26-2014, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Cedar Rapids
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If you're just looking at presidential voting patterns alone, Illinois is clearly the most liberal state in the Midwest, followed by Michigan, followed by a three-way tie between Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa.

Of course, Illinois and to a lesser extent Michigan are more politically polarized states, where the primary cities exert a big effect on the political lean of the state as a whole. In contrast, WI/MN/IA don't really have as stark political divisions. They have plenty of left-leaning rural areas, and even those that are not tend to be pretty moderate.
You are exactly on point here. Agreed!
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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People tell me Illinois and Michigan outside Chicagoland and Metro Detroit are more conservative than rural Minnesota/Wisconsin.
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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People tell me Illinois and Michigan outside Chicagoland and Metro Detroit are more conservative than rural Minnesota/Wisconsin.
That's definitely true for Illinois, but it's more because there's a cultural border in the state which runs just south of Chicago. Northwest Illinois or the Quad Cities area isn't really conservative, despite being rural. But as you head south, you get into Lower Midwestern territory, which is far more deeply conservative.

Michigan, outside of the Grand Rapids area, isn't incredibly right wing in the rural areas. Most rural counties are just the lightest shade of pink - say in the 55% Republican range.

Wisconsin and Minnesota are a bit more liberal in turn, with a lot of 55% (and even some 60% Democratic voting rural areas). But they also have some moderately Republican rural areas as well. Wisconsin is pretty unique though, because by far the most conservative part of the state is the suburban/exurban areas right around Milwaukee. Milwaukee's pretty unique nationally, because it's one of the only areas where suburbs haven't gotten more liberal over the last 20 years.
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Old 10-27-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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That's definitely true for Illinois, but it's more because there's a cultural border in the state which runs just south of Chicago. Northwest Illinois or the Quad Cities area isn't really conservative, despite being rural. But as you head south, you get into Lower Midwestern territory, which is far more deeply conservative.

Michigan, outside of the Grand Rapids area, isn't incredibly right wing in the rural areas. Most rural counties are just the lightest shade of pink - say in the 55% Republican range.

Wisconsin and Minnesota are a bit more liberal in turn, with a lot of 55% (and even some 60% Democratic voting rural areas). But they also have some moderately Republican rural areas as well. Wisconsin is pretty unique though, because by far the most conservative part of the state is the suburban/exurban areas right around Milwaukee. Milwaukee's pretty unique nationally, because it's one of the only areas where suburbs haven't gotten more liberal over the last 20 years.
There are definitely several smaller metro areas in Illinois south of I-80 that lean more liberal. Certainly Champaign-Urbana is the most liberal area in central Illinois (probably one of the most liberal areas outside of Chicago in the entire state). You also have a lot of blue-collar Democrats in places like Decatur and Peoria, and the metro East is a pretty consistently liberal part of the StL metro. I don't think deeply conservative at all when I think of central Illinois; if anything, there are a lot of moderate areas. There are some very right-wing rural areas in all of these states, but they account for a small portion of the population (and extremely small percentage in the case of Illinois). Wisconsin is also an interesting state because the Fox Valley area can be quite conservative, too, and it's a sizable chunk of the population of the state.
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Old 10-27-2014, 12:06 PM
 
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Historically Iowa has been the most tolerant and progressive state in the area. Not sure exactly what the OP is looking for.

1839 - Territorial Supreme Court: man could not be sent back into slavery "re: Ralph," WL 2764, at *6 (Iowa Terr. July 1839) "no man in this territory can be reduced to slavery." (US - 1865 after Civil War)

1851 – Iowa General Assembly: removed ban on inter-racial marriage (1967 US)

1851 – Iowa "Code of 1851:" gave married women property rights

1855 - The University of Iowa opened its doors as the first state university in America to admit men and women on an equal basis.

1857 - Iowa Constitution included African-Americans 'same rights' as every citizen

1867 – Iowa Supreme Court: broke with 'common law' that men would get absolute custody of children in divorce; "Cole v Cole"

1868 - Iowa Supreme Court: school desegregation case -- a 12-year-old girl could not be barred from a Muscatine school on basis of race

1869 - Iowa Supreme Court: Arabella Mansfield could not be barred from practicing law due to gender. She became the first female lawyer in US.

1873 – Iowa Supreme Court: Emma Coger, mixed race woman, could not be denied eating privileges in steam boat 'whites only' dining room.

1875 – Historic First: Emma Haddock, first female lawyer to practice in US Federal courts

1879 - Law alumnus G. Alexander Clark is believed to be the first African American in the nation to earn a law degree.

1884 – Iowa General Assembly: civil rights law enacted (racial)

1884 – Historic First: Jennie McCowen, first US woman medical graduate (U.I.)

1920 – Historic First: (Iowa General Assembly?) When women got the vote, Iowa also made them eligible for jury service (most states still didn't allow this for a decade or more)

1924 -- Native Americans given right to vote.

1965 –1969 US Supreme Court - Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District: Freedom of speech includes black arm bands protesting the war in Vietnam.

1970 – Iowa General Assembly: no-fault divorce (one of first in nation laws)

1971 – Adel High School's (anti) Long Hair rule at school is unconstitutional (district court) Boys can wear their hair long.

1976 - Iowa Supreme Court: sodomy laws violate "equal protection" clause (Legislation: Iowa struck down all sodomy laws in 1978; US in 2003)
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I don't consider voting democrat or being a blue state to be a sign of being liberal. Illinois and Michigan have a lot of conservative Democrats, mostly concentrated in a handful of large cities where unions are important.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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I don't consider voting democrat or being a blue state to be a sign of being liberal. Illinois and Michigan have a lot of conservative Democrats, mostly concentrated in a handful of large cities where unions are important.
The perception that the Michigan Democrat base are a bunch of gay hating, bambi killing, marxists is overplayed. There are almost 10million people in MI, about 10% of them live in the rural areas. The Union/manufacturing presence is a shadow of its former self. The majority of Michiganders are typical vanila suburbanites living in Metro Detroit, or any one of the midsized cities. Look at polling data on social issues and you'll find it to be a center left state. Michiganders as a whole don't care what happens in the personal lives of others, tend to have a live and let live attitude.

Of course there will be people who stand out against social issues that happens everywhere. I'm not saying it's a bastion of free expression and acceptance, but it's also not Mississippi for Democrats either.
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Old 10-28-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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I don't consider voting democrat or being a blue state to be a sign of being liberal. Illinois and Michigan have a lot of conservative Democrats, mostly concentrated in a handful of large cities where unions are important.
There's a strong perception, for some reason, that Black/Latino Democrats are conservative, but none of the date I've seen backs this up. On economic issues they are far to the left of the U.S. median voter - even further to the left than most white liberals.

And on social issues the matter is complex. Most Blacks and Latinos identify with both, and neither, side of the abortion debate. Blacks tend to be overwhelmingly supportive of legal abortion, while Latinos are fairly evenly split (similar to whites). In general nonwhites are more apt to support gun control, oppose the death penalty, and generally in favor of a less punitive criminal justice system. While older blacks tend to be fairly opposed to same-sex marriage, younger blacks are not, and Latinos in general track white attitudes.
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Old 10-28-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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There's a strong perception, for some reason, that Black/Latino Democrats are conservative, but none of the date I've seen backs this up
Black and Latino voters turned out in huge numbers to vote for Obama, which also resulted in a gay marriage ban being passed in California of all places.

Most of California's Black Voters Backed Gay Marriage Ban
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Old 10-28-2014, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Black and Latino voters turned out in huge numbers to vote for Obama, which also resulted in a gay marriage ban being passed in California of all places.

Most of California's Black Voters Backed Gay Marriage Ban
So what?

First off, public opinion on gay marriage has changed rapidly since 2008. By 2012, Maryland passed SSM by ballot. While the majority of blacks might not have supported it (I haven't seen exit polls) in a state which is 30% black, and where most whites are Republicans, some level of black support was clearly key to it passing. And the county-by-county results show that in the most black portions of the state (Baltimore City, Prince Georges County) a majority did support SSM - which cannot be said for the conservative white portions of the state.

I'm pretty sure I saw polling from California that showed enough Black/Latino voters regretted their votes a few years later that if there was a revote, the SSM ban wouldn't have passed.

More importantly, this is only one issue. Would someone being deeply pro-life totally cancel out socialist politics or something?
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