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Old 10-27-2014, 01:06 PM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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The California Vowel Shift died in the 1990's. California's stereotypes are practically all outdated at this point and do not reflect the reality of California, with most of those aged stereotypes focusing on what Southern California used to be like.
At least according to the web articles I found, it's still around. Not limited to Southern California either.

https://web.stanford.edu/~eckert/vowels.html

although the new vowel characteristics of the California Shift are increasingly found among younger speakers

California English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-27-2014, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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No?


California is a big place itself so it's kinda easy to assign attributes to it and say "look, everywhere is like California because of x, y and z".
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Old 10-27-2014, 01:51 PM
 
Location: FL
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You don't notice how Millennials everywhere seem like they're from California?
Absolutely YES!
We notice the exact same thing! (and we live in a small southern city!)
You're not "crazy" - the other posters in this thread are! (not meant offensively!!!)
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Old 10-27-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Absolutely YES!
We notice the exact same thing! (and we live in a small southern city!)
You're not "crazy" - the other posters in this thread are! (not meant offensively!!!)
Uh huh. Sure.

There is a reason that all but two people are saying the claim is ridiculous, because it is.
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Old 10-27-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I live part of the year in one of Southern California's lagest Surfer dudes mecca, and have been connected to the culture and industry for decades. There is a Southern California subset dialect, has been for years, but you will really only hear it in a few localles at least from the authentic genuine articles that in fact have a somewhat subtle but stereo typical Southern Cal. Inference. The surfer snowboard culture is interchangable so yes I also hear it in Colorado occasionally, but never heard it out East or for that matter in 98% of the rest of the country. Outside the West I don't see a major California influence when it comes to twang/slang or vowel shift..

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Old 10-27-2014, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Macon/Atlanta
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Its like when you talk like thot, you know dyood? Todally fer shure like...
I don't think I have ever heard anyone in real life talk like that, but lots of people seem to use vocal fry, if that says anything.
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Old 10-27-2014, 11:10 PM
 
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Would you rather the rest of the country become more like [insert God-forsaken, pancake-flat, tornado-prone, obese, Evangelical Southern or Midwestern state here]?

Didn't think so.
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Old 10-28-2014, 07:04 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Do you think the rest of
the country is becoming more like
California?
No. We have had record precipitation and we have more fresh water than we know what to do with. The Great Lakes are all at above-average levels.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:26 AM
 
Location: The Dirty South.
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Op obviously never been to Texas.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:28 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I actually see California's influence waning, largely due to the internet. Form the 50s-90s, California was indeed the major exporter of popular trends and attitudes, in large part due to the fact that most media spread from there via television and film. To a large degree those forms of media have become less important And even these behemoths of popular culture have in late years been exploring stories around the country since tax incentives are driving production in other states.

In the last decade or more, there has been a radical cross-pollinazation of popular culture and trends from around the country and the world due to internet communitites. Sub-cultures have multiplied and become more evenly distributed. People with niche interests are no longer members of a tiny minority in their city, but members of worldwide community.

That is not to say California is out of the loop by any means. California's large population, status, and culture of creativity means it will continue to be a major trend setter, but secondary cultural trend setters like NYC and London are becoming more and more influential and the democratization of the internet means a new trend anywhere can take root.
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