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Old 11-03-2014, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The City
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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I'd disagree with the other comments here, in that I think culturally Chicago is more eastern than it is midwestern. From experience living there, my perception is that both attitudes and pace of life are very easternish.

There's a reason Wisconsonites call Chicago people "FIBS" with distaste; whereas the most derisive thing they say about Minnesotans is "Vikings fans" and then laugh hysterically.

The fashion on Michigan Ave. may not be quite as fancy as Manhattan, but it's closer to NYC than it is to Des Moines.
By this token, you can say that the fashion in East Village Des Moines is closer to the fashion in Manhattan than it is to the fashion of Chicago on the whole, maybe it's Des Moines we should be putting on the East Coast.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:58 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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I personally don't think two coasts have much in common with each other either. Apart from a few overlapping industries and large amounts of wealth, LA and NYC are soooooo different. Same with SF, which is in turn as different from LA as it is from NYC. Etc, etc. The demographics, culture, layout, housing stock, weather, industries, etc. I think the whole coasts v flyover country is truly a false dichotomy invented by pseudo-elitists with too much time on their hands.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Why do so many people on here want to be "linked" to the Northeast (NYC) or the West Coast?
A really great and valid question, in my opinion.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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I'd disagree with the other comments here, in that I think culturally Chicago is more eastern than it is midwestern. From experience living there, my perception is that both attitudes and pace of life are very easternish.

There's a reason Wisconsonites call Chicago people "FIBS" with distaste; whereas the most derisive thing they say about Minnesotans is "Vikings fans" and then laugh hysterically.

The fashion on Michigan Ave. may not be quite as fancy as Manhattan, but it's closer to NYC than it is to Des Moines.
Wrong - FIBS is because of Chicagoland tourists overrunning the northwoods. Well, the state in general. Has ZERO to do with the fact that Chicago is "more East Coast"

You can't get more Midwest than the alpha Midwestern city of Chicago.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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I can not believe a thread asking if Chicago is not linked to the Midwest has generated such a response.

Wait......this is city data. Yes I can.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I can not believe a thread asking if Chicago is not linked to the Midwest has generated such a response.

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as the OP, I can assure you I never suggested Chicago is not linked to the midwest. I merely asked if in other ways it has a real link with the northeast and Pacific coast.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:23 PM
 
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by rail the city is linked to everywhere....

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Old 11-04-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Raccoon City
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Chicago is Midwestern, not linked to either coast, thank goodness. And if its "flyover country", explain why Chicago has the 2nd busiest airport in the USA and one of the highest tourist counts in the nation? lol
Actually, O'Hare just regained its crown as the busiest airport in the world .

As for the thread, Chicago doesn't orientate itself with either the East or West Coast. Chicago is the alpha city of the Fresh Coast.
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Old 11-05-2014, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Actually, O'Hare just regained its crown as the busiest airport in the world .

As for the thread, Chicago doesn't orientate itself with either the East or West Coast. Chicago is the alpha city of the Fresh Coast.
As the OP and as a Chicagoan who has a good sense of what Chicago is,I don't disagree with the above. Chicago, like any other place, is a part of its region. NY is very east coast; SF very west. But let's keep in mind that I did not invent the coastal meme that we Americans have. We have taken two regions that are 3000 miles apart, are vastly different in endless ways, but have conflated them in terms of commonality. Certainly power and influence is part of that identity. But I think a bigger factor is an orientation that tends to be more global, more interactive, and less provincially american. Again, as I did with the term "flyover country", I'd like to avoid any sense of "better than" since what I see is a difference, not a ranking.

Among things that are overplayed (along with the notion of "flyover country") is the idea of dividing states into blue and red. Yet that framework does give us insight on how the nation ticks. So let's look at that admittedly flawed red/blue comparison. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but it would seem to me that when it comes to identifying those blue states, they only come in 3 places: the northeast, the Pacific Coast, and Illinois. Period. If I were asked to name a reliably blue state outside of the northeast or west coast, I'd have a hard time coming up with anything other than Illinois. And Illinois, of course, is strictly because of Chicagoland.

Chicago is the center of the midwest. but Chicago often thinks differently from most of the midwest and, IMHO, is more rooted in that degree of interconnection with places beyond our shores that would be evident in those two coastal regions.

my sense is that if we were to create some geographically insane nation-from-hell composed of the northeast, the west coast, and Chicagoland, we would see a nation much like Canada, much like the social democracies of Europe, and more post-American than the rest of our country.

from an historical perspective, I would have to say that Chicago had a special link with the east coast (long before that region had a connection to the west coast) unshared by any other place in the midwest. Chicago, from the start, was the product of New York, the hand chosen link to the city and the northeast that was awarded through the most significant event for the true rise of NYC: the Erie Canal. Chicago was anointed NYC's western terminus, the link in the commerce that would join the northeast with the midwest and over an ascendency for NYC that once would have been the province of Boston and Philadelphia. Chicago was NYC's horse in the midwestern race; St. Louis was not. And NYC's bet won.

during the post-Civil War era, Chicago exploded in the size and it became the urban laboratory for a new (and first) urban America that emerged in this industrial/immigration era. the common trends set by four cities....NY, Philly, Boston, and Chicago....set the tone for America's rapid urbanization. And Chicago, as the white collar center of the midwest, the city of commerce, continued its link with the northeast from that era onward. So, yes, I very much see a long range link between Chicago and the northeast and that link carried on when the northeast and the west coast evolved into that coastal identity of which I have spoken.

Indeed, I see a developmental relationship between Chicago and San Francisco with the northeast corridor in the way those two cities developed during the era of urbanization and how they both have "arrived" as major cities in the US in the 19th century in ways that no other city outside of the northeast did.

Look, folks, this all comes down to paradigms and differing perspectives and there is no assertion on my part that my viewpoint contains "validity" over others; it can't: it is just opinion. So I'm merely asking here, not if I am right, but if others have a similar orientation in how they conflate Chicago with the east and west coasts. Believe me, I fully understand if someone wanted to take a counter perspective from mine, they could come up with many compelling reasons why they disagree with me.

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