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Old 11-05-2014, 12:43 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Massachusetts would probably vote yes if it makes it to the ballot. Helps if it's on a presidential election year. Arizona might have too many old people. Ditto with Maine.
Arizona approved medical marijuana by voter ballot, not even Florida could do that.
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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Arizona approved medical marijuana by voter ballot, not even Florida could do that.
Florida voted for it a high % (58%) but there was a 60% thershold requirement.
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Old 11-05-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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I'd note that the specific language of the law makes a difference. Oregon voted on the same issue in 2012 but voted it down.

This time around, the measure was better written. That made a very significant difference.

In theory later-adopting states have the benefit of looking at what works and what doesn't in the early-adopting states, but also from a political science perspective, they can also work at what language appealed to voters and what didn't.
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Old 11-05-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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They should legalize pot in every state, the bigger problem in USA is over use of prescription pain medicine anyway. States fail their residents again but I am not surprised. Oregon is a pretty progressive state thou, one my fav states in the USA.
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Old 11-05-2014, 02:47 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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I wish Americans were as passionate about where their taxes are going and foreign policy as they are about marijuana and gay marriage... but oh well, i shouldn't tell others how they should think.
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Old 11-05-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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I wish Americans were as passionate about where their taxes are going and foreign policy as they are about marijuana and gay marriage... but oh well, i shouldn't tell others how they should think.
Yet Americans still won't address mental illness and we wonder why we have so many people homeless and out of work.
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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I wish Americans were as passionate about where their taxes are going and foreign policy as they are about marijuana and gay marriage... but oh well, i shouldn't tell others how they should think.
Part of the difference is that taxation and foreign policy are deeply complex. Marijuana and gay marriage lend themselves to more binary for/against positions. It's just easier to stake out turf and stand behind it passionately whichever side you're on.

Foreign policy, on the other hand, is complex, and it's very hard to know if the moves you make are right or wrong. Should we bomb ISIS in Iraq? That's one complex issue. Should we bomb ISIS in Syria? Even more complex. What about drones? Which side, if any, should we take on the Palestinian issue, and if we take a hardline pushing aggressively towards one resolution or other will it backfire?

That's not to say the public shouldn't have a voice in these issues, but you very clearly get to a level that isn't just about general philosophy of interventionism vs. isolationism or dove/hawk, but understands the details on the ground. NPR does okay with foreign policy reporting, but if you look at most of our media, it's paper thin at best, and most people don't subscribe to 'Foreign Policy Journal' or even 'the Economist.'

Public spending is likewise incredibly complex. Say the gov't is spending research money on hippo sweat. At first glance, that seems like a joke and incredible waste, but hippo sweat contains both antiseptics and radiation blocking compounds. Even our elected representatives, who in theory are paid to study these issues full-time, rarely have much more than a passing knowledge of the issues at play.
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Old 11-05-2014, 05:07 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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Part of the difference is that taxation and foreign policy are deeply complex. Marijuana and gay marriage lend themselves to more binary for/against positions. It's just easier to stake out turf and stand behind it passionately whichever side you're on.
Exactly. Taxation and foreign policy are comprised of dozens, if not hundreds, of nuanced positions.

In a way, marijuana legalization is just an isolated tax position.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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They should legalize pot in every state, the bigger problem in USA is over use of prescription pain medicine anyway.
This country is so drugged up it is scary.
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