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and scrolling down to the urban agglomerations is sort of interesting as well - or combined connected urban areas
NYC/Philly/CT 29 Mill
LA/Riverside 15 Mill
Chicago 8.9 Mill
Boston/PVD 6.7 Mill
Balt/Wash 6.6 Mill
SF/SJ 5.9 Mill
Miami/Ft Laud 5.4 Mill
DFW 5.0 Mill
Houston/Woodlands 4.6 Mill
Detroit 4.3 Mill
Atl 4.2 Mill
Urban agglomerations differs from "urban areas" in that NYC and PHL are one, and SF/SJ and Detroit are in the top 10 for agglomerations, while "urban areas" divides NYC and PHL and moves Atlanta into the top 10. I prefer UA because it is more consistent with historical thinking.
1 New York--Newark, NY—NJ—CT
2 Los Angeles--Long Beach--Anaheim, CA
3 Chicago, IL—IN
4 Miami, FL
5 Philadelphia, PA—NJ—DE—MD
6 Dallas--Fort Worth--Arlington, TX
7 Houston, TX
8 Washington, DC—VA—MD
9 Atlanta, GA
10 Boston, MA—NH—RI
Sorting that list the densest areas over 500K are LA-LB-ANAHEIM______2702.5 SF-OAKLAND_________2419.5 SAN JOSE___________2247.2
NYC-NEWARK_________2053.6
HONOLULU___________1820.7 LAS VEGAS__________1746.9
MIAMI______________1715.2
SAN DIEGO__________1558.7 MISSION VIEJO______1497.1
FRESNO_____________1475.6
BAKERSFIELD________1461.4 SLC-WVC____________1418.9
SACRAMENTO_________1413
NEW ORLEANS________1381.8 DENVER-AURORA______1372.4 RIVERSIDE-SB_______1369.3
PORTLAND___________1362.1
CHICAGO____________1360.6
DC_________________1339.9
EL PASO____________1237.5 PHOENIX-MESA_______1222.1
BALTIMORE__________1186.6
SEATTLE____________1169.2
CONCORD (CA)_______1167.2 HOUSTON____________1150
CO SPRINGS_________1149.9 ABQ________________1142.3
SAN ANTON__________1136.9 DFWA_______________1111.5
VA BEACH___________1078.4
DETROIT____________1078.2
PHILLY_____________1060.4
COLUMBUS___________1034.7
OMAHA______________1032.1
AUSTIN_____________1005.7
TWIN CITIES________1001.7
TAMPA BAY__________985.1
ORLANDO____________975.8
MILWAUKEE__________974
OGDEN-LAYTON_______969.1
SAN JUAN___________957.1
BUFFALO____________951.1
TUCSON_____________921
ST LOUIS___________899
CLEVELAND__________890.6
KC_________________865.5
BOSTON_____________861.7
ROCHESTER__________857.4
PROVIDENCE_________843.7
MEMPHIS____________823
TOLEDO_____________815.2
INDY_______________813.8
OKC________________810
CINCY______________796.4
DAYTON_____________795.5
LOUISVILLE_________787.7
MCALLEN____________786.1
GRAND RAPIDS_______784.3
ALBANY_____________776.8
JAX________________775.5
BRIDGEPORT_________764.7
SARASOTA___________760.3
TULSA______________753.4
RICHMOND___________748.1
ALLENTOWN__________741.1
PITTSBURGH_________739.6
CHARLESTON_________721.8
NEW HAVEN__________709.9
HARTFORD___________691.7
SPRINGFIELD (MA)___688.2
AKRON______________675.8
NASHVILLE__________664.4
RALEIGH____________659.4
ATLANTA____________659
CHARLOTTE__________650.6
BATON ROUGE________625.6
CAPE CORAL_________619.9
COLUMBIA___________558.6
BIRMINGHAM_________546.1
KNOXVILLE__________492.3
Note the bolded cities, which are often cited for sprawl and strip malls. I guess strip mall post 1950s urban development is denser than older style development. Either that or the older dense cities are actually vacant and just appear dense.
Last edited by Hamtonfordbury; 11-26-2014 at 02:56 PM..
I wonder if anybody could actually attempt to answer the OP's question rather than turn it into a typical C-D crap fest where only density and urban area matter (as if those topics haven't been discussed ad nauseam).
San Jose, no doubt, unless it's over 1 mil already. I would expect Austin to be next, sometime before the end of the decade. After that it is anybody's guess...there are reasons why Jax should hit the mark in the next decade, but other places are growing fast as well.
Sorting that list the densest areas over 500K are LA-LB-ANAHEIM______2702.5 SF-OAKLAND_________2419.5 SAN JOSE___________2247.2
NYC-NEWARK_________2053.6
HONOLULU___________1820.7 LAS VEGAS__________1746.9
MIAMI______________1715.2
SAN DIEGO__________1558.7 MISSION VIEJO______1497.1
FRESNO_____________1475.6
BAKERSFIELD________1461.4 SLC-WVC____________1418.9
SACRAMENTO_________1413
NEW ORLEANS________1381.8 DENVER-AURORA______1372.4 RIVERSIDE-SB_______1369.3
PORTLAND___________1362.1
CHICAGO____________1360.6
DC_________________1339.9
EL PASO____________1237.5 PHOENIX-MESA_______1222.1
BALTIMORE__________1186.6
SEATTLE____________1169.2
CONCORD (CA)_______1167.2 HOUSTON____________1150
CO SPRINGS_________1149.9 ABQ________________1142.3
SAN ANTON__________1136.9 DFWA_______________1111.5
VA BEACH___________1078.4
DETROIT____________1078.2
PHILLY_____________1060.4
COLUMBUS___________1034.7
OMAHA______________1032.1
AUSTIN_____________1005.7
TWIN CITIES________1001.7
TAMPA BAY__________985.1
ORLANDO____________975.8
MILWAUKEE__________974
OGDEN-LAYTON_______969.1
SAN JUAN___________957.1
BUFFALO____________951.1
TUCSON_____________921
ST LOUIS___________899
CLEVELAND__________890.6
KC_________________865.5
BOSTON_____________861.7
ROCHESTER__________857.4
PROVIDENCE_________843.7
MEMPHIS____________823
TOLEDO_____________815.2
INDY_______________813.8
OKC________________810
CINCY______________796.4
DAYTON_____________795.5
LOUISVILLE_________787.7
MCALLEN____________786.1
GRAND RAPIDS_______784.3
ALBANY_____________776.8
JAX________________775.5
BRIDGEPORT_________764.7
SARASOTA___________760.3
TULSA______________753.4
RICHMOND___________748.1
ALLENTOWN__________741.1
PITTSBURGH_________739.6
CHARLESTON_________721.8
NEW HAVEN__________709.9
HARTFORD___________691.7
SPRINGFIELD (MA)___688.2
AKRON______________675.8
NASHVILLE__________664.4
RALEIGH____________659.4
ATLANTA____________659
CHARLOTTE__________650.6
BATON ROUGE________625.6
CAPE CORAL_________619.9
COLUMBIA___________558.6
BIRMINGHAM_________546.1
KNOXVILLE__________492.3
Note the bolded cities, which are often cited for sprawl and strip malls. I guess strip mall post 1950s urban development is denser than older style development. Either that or the older dense cities are actually vacant and just appear dense.
I thought we gave up on the metric system in the 1970s?
Sorting that list the densest areas over 500K are LA-LB-ANAHEIM______2702.5 SF-OAKLAND_________2419.5 SAN JOSE___________2247.2
NYC-NEWARK_________2053.6
HONOLULU___________1820.7 LAS VEGAS__________1746.9
MIAMI______________1715.2
SAN DIEGO__________1558.7 MISSION VIEJO______1497.1
FRESNO_____________1475.6
BAKERSFIELD________1461.4 SLC-WVC____________1418.9
SACRAMENTO_________1413
NEW ORLEANS________1381.8 DENVER-AURORA______1372.4 RIVERSIDE-SB_______1369.3
PORTLAND___________1362.1
CHICAGO____________1360.6
DC_________________1339.9
EL PASO____________1237.5 PHOENIX-MESA_______1222.1
BALTIMORE__________1186.6
SEATTLE____________1169.2
CONCORD (CA)_______1167.2 HOUSTON____________1150
CO SPRINGS_________1149.9 ABQ________________1142.3
SAN ANTON__________1136.9 DFWA_______________1111.5
VA BEACH___________1078.4
DETROIT____________1078.2
PHILLY_____________1060.4
COLUMBUS___________1034.7
OMAHA______________1032.1
AUSTIN_____________1005.7
TWIN CITIES________1001.7
TAMPA BAY__________985.1
ORLANDO____________975.8
MILWAUKEE__________974
OGDEN-LAYTON_______969.1
SAN JUAN___________957.1
BUFFALO____________951.1
TUCSON_____________921
ST LOUIS___________899
CLEVELAND__________890.6
KC_________________865.5
BOSTON_____________861.7
ROCHESTER__________857.4
PROVIDENCE_________843.7
MEMPHIS____________823
TOLEDO_____________815.2
INDY_______________813.8
OKC________________810
CINCY______________796.4
DAYTON_____________795.5
LOUISVILLE_________787.7
MCALLEN____________786.1
GRAND RAPIDS_______784.3
ALBANY_____________776.8
JAX________________775.5
BRIDGEPORT_________764.7
SARASOTA___________760.3
TULSA______________753.4
RICHMOND___________748.1
ALLENTOWN__________741.1
PITTSBURGH_________739.6
CHARLESTON_________721.8
NEW HAVEN__________709.9
HARTFORD___________691.7
SPRINGFIELD (MA)___688.2
AKRON______________675.8
NASHVILLE__________664.4
RALEIGH____________659.4
ATLANTA____________659
CHARLOTTE__________650.6
BATON ROUGE________625.6
CAPE CORAL_________619.9
COLUMBIA___________558.6
BIRMINGHAM_________546.1
KNOXVILLE__________492.3
Note the bolded cities, which are often cited for sprawl and strip malls. I guess strip mall post 1950s urban development is denser than older style development. Either that or the older dense cities are actually vacant and just appear dense.
The density in the Western cities including Texas and Florida are consistent from the core to the outer fringes of the area. This is unlike the East where you have a dense urban core but the homes become further apart the more you leave the core.
I wonder if anybody could actually attempt to answer the OP's question rather than turn it into a typical C-D crap fest where only density and urban area matter (as if those topics haven't been discussed ad nauseam).
We get it. Give it a rest.
My vote goes to Austin.
I just don't see what prestige lies in having "a million people" when the most famous and prestigious cities in the country - Boston, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Miami, Atlanta, Denver, etc. - have well under a million, and some are even under 500K. Salt Lake City is under 200K, but it commands an entire Wasatch Front metroplex of over 2 million. In fact they are probably better cities because they don't have to manage the entire MSA on with a centralized city government. It also gives people options for relocation within the urban area. Southern cities posturing for bigger population stats through annexation are missing the point. They end up becoming poorly managed sprawlfests.
I just don't see what prestige lies in having "a million people" when the most famous and prestigious cities in the country - Boston, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Miami, Atlanta, Denver, etc. - have well under a million, and some are even under 500K. Salt Lake City is under 200K, but it commands an entire Wasatch Front metroplex of over 2 million. In fact they are probably better cities because they don't have to manage the entire MSA on with a centralized city government. It also gives people options for relocation within the urban area. Southern cities posturing for bigger population stats through annexation are missing the point. They end up becoming poorly managed sprawlfests.
I liked your post until the bolded part. A case can be made that sprawl happens when the central city doesn't have enough clout in the metro area because they didn't expand into the suburban growth areas. In actuality, I'm not sure it makes that much difference. Look at Atlanta and Miami (less than ten percent each of their respective metros) vs. Dallas, Houston and Phoenix, cities well over the million mark. Each metro area has sprawled with huge growth in the last half century. I don't think you can make a case either way.
Yeah, NYC is FIVE counties and I'd say the core has survived quite well. Here in Jax that has been an ongoing debate for years...whether consolidation was the cause of downtown decay. There are many pros and cons that it's impossible for anyone to win that argument. It really depends on circumstance.
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Originally Posted by Hamtonfordbury
I just don't see what prestige lies in having "a million people" when the most famous and prestigious cities in the country - Boston, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Miami, Atlanta, Denver, etc. - have well under a million, and some are even under 500K. Salt Lake City is under 200K, but it commands an entire Wasatch Front metroplex of over 2 million.
This I agree with, but just cause there's not prestige doesn't mean it can't be discussed.
As others have already stated San Jose, Austin, Jacksonville. I'd also add Fort Worth and Indianapolis.
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