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Old 11-18-2014, 06:13 AM
 
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Yes, and potential increases (tied to inflation and crumbling infrastructure) have to be approved by voters, so given the snowball's chance of that happening toll roads have become a very viable alternative. Not to mention gas tax revenues are on the decrease as gas prices fall, meaning so are tax revenues.
So why didn't I see a jump in road repair when gas went $1.00 a gallon to $3.00 a gallon? And don't forget politicians who divert gas tax money for other pork barrel projects like spending 20% of federal gas tax dollars on mass transit.
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Old 11-18-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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That what gas taxes are for.
Except that gas taxes don't adequately fund the roads we have and that (regarding state gas taxes) gas can be purchased in another state even though you may spend the lion's share of your time driving on roads in a different state.
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Old 11-18-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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Except that gas taxes don't adequately fund the roads we have.
Gas taxes work in Ohio, even with those dreaded "freeze-and-thaw" conditions. Take a drive on I-75 from Ohio into Michigan and explain the road disparity.
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Old 11-18-2014, 06:53 AM
 
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Gas taxes work in Ohio, even with those dreaded "freeze-and-thaw" conditions. Take a drive on I-75 from Ohio into Michigan and explain the road disparity.
...but Ohio also has a very, very long toll road, too. Why have a toll road if gas taxes are working to fund Ohio roads completely?
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Old 11-18-2014, 06:56 AM
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That what gas taxes are for.
In Texas, the legislature has dug in its heels and refused to raise fuel taxes since the '90s. Combine that with higher-mileage vehicles that drive more miles on less fuel and you have a recipe for needing to add toll revenue to the mix.
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Old 11-18-2014, 07:16 AM
 
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...but Ohio also has a very, very long toll road, too. Why have a toll road if gas taxes are working to fund Ohio roads completely?
The Ohio Turnpike was built before the Interstate highways and is operated under different jurisdiction than the state roads.

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Old 11-18-2014, 07:34 AM
 
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In Texas, the legislature has dug in its heels and refused to raise fuel taxes since the '90s. Combine that with higher-mileage vehicles that drive more miles on less fuel and you have a recipe for needing to add toll revenue to the mix.
Light weight vehicles do not damage roads. Michigan raised the state gas tax in the 1990s and the roads there never got fixed.
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Old 11-18-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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The problem with the gas tax is that it's a fixed number and isn't adjusted for inflation. It should just be a normal % like a sales tax or adjust each year.

Inflation has increased by 65% from 1993 when the federal gas tax was last raised. If it went with inflaiton it would have gone from around 18 cents to 30 cents per gallon.

As others said about Texas using a lot of toll in new roads, they haven't increased their gas tax in almost 25 years. The current 20 cents would be around 35 cents simply by inflation.

Pound for pound people are paying out MUCH less in gas taxes than ever before since wages and prices have crept up with normal inflation over the decades but the gas tax is stuck at one specific number.

That's fine to keep it low, but don't expect roads to be in great shape or to have a lot of money for construction. It's all a payoff.
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