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Old 12-08-2014, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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No. European immigration wave has happened. It is history. It is over.

Same reasons as for South America. Established economical and social position, reversed from what has been in Europe in Nineteen Century. Literally no one interested. I mean it. Most people here dislike the United States. I am deadly serious. In Europe the most widespread attitude for the United States is this. Not that mighty, not that wealthy, not that influential and not that interesting. For most Europeans, today luxury-loving and socially secured (which is a huge issue in European mentality) people, emigration is too hard and not that beneficial. In Europe people perceive the United States as diminishing empire, and think European Union will rule the world, or remain important. And most people here do not believe that something like American dream is achieveable nowadays. There are, in general, very ignorant and arrogant towards the United States and the rest of the word. And I mean very ignorant and arrogant. Furthermore, poeple here love to live in illusion, which they are creating to themselves, that even if the world is run from New York City, Los Angeles, Huston, Shanghai and Tokyo, they will think that Paris, Berlin, Madrid and Milan is enough to stop care. Really, today people in Europe are deeply Europe-centered, unable to see antyhing beyond. That will destroy them, if they will not alter their attitude, as it has once destroyed Chinesee. They say that the United States is evil, inefficient and shall fall. They shall fall sooner, though.

Most young adults I know are not interested in immigration to the United States, even if they will have opportunity to easily conduct it. And I know also many people that has been to the United States, receive education there, or even gown up there. Even know induviduals that has been in the United States on Fulbright Scholarship. And you not what? None of them is interested in such a transition.

That is a voice from the Old Continent. Deal with it.
Can't say I disagree with this. Europe has historically been extremely ignorant and arrogant when it comes to the United States before it was even a country. It's not new at all and over time the United States and Europe have drifting further and further away from each other. The "special relationship" between Europe and the United States will continue to fade away over time till nothing is left and we just view each other as nothing but foreigners.
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Old 12-08-2014, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Calera, AL
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The U.S. isn't declining per se, it's just that much of the rest of the world is catching up, and in many cases, already has. The U.S. nowadays provides fewer and fewer amenities that cannot be found elsewhere, and in some ways the opposite is true. For instance, for the most part, the public transportation system in the States is a joke, and in many cities having a car is a necessity (especially true in the South, where the cities have a very low population density).

Unless they have a specific or personal reason, it doesn't really behoove the average European to emigrate anywhere, let alone the U.S. There's a decent amount that choose to study at American colleges and universities, particularly at the postgraduate level, and some indeed stay on to become professors. Some already-wealthy Europeans (namely celebs and athletes) come to the U.S. because it's cheaper to live there, and they get to keep a bigger portion of their paychecks since the tax rates tend to be considerably lower.

Europeans tend to think of Americans as provincial and aloof, and while there is some truth to that, a lot of that has to do with the fact that the worldliness (or lack thereof) of Americans isn't necessarily by choice. Many just don't make that much money, and time is an even more precious commodity as it takes forever to build up enough time to make a trip abroad feasible. Continental Europe (not counting the old Soviet states) is a small, compact region with dozens of different languages and cultures within a stone's throw within each other. The U.S. is vast, fairly sparsely populated, and for the most part, homogenous culturally, so with only a handful of exceptions, would have to travel thousands of miles to experience a culture considerably different than theirs.
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Old 12-08-2014, 09:20 PM
 
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I would not rule it out because of future events, but at this moment in time it isn't likely. That might change, keep in mind.

I could see a large wave of white Africans immigrating, things are pretty rough over there for them, but Europe is not turbulent.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:50 AM
 
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Eastern Europeans (Russians and Ukrainians and some Poles but less since they became EU) still come here. So do a lot of Irish (go to Woodlawn BX in NY or parts of Boston and you'll hear lots of brogues) but mass migration usually comes from poor countries to rich countries. Most western people who move between countries are expatriates who want a cultural experience, not families coming for a new life.

However, if Europe experiences social unrest and high crime people will come.
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Old 12-13-2014, 02:03 AM
 
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Eastern Europeans (Russians and Ukrainians and some Poles but less since they became EU) still come here. So do a lot of Irish (go to Woodlawn BX in NY or parts of Boston and you'll hear lots of brogues) but mass migration usually comes from poor countries to rich countries. Most western people who move between countries are expatriates who want a cultural experience, not families coming for a new life.

However, if Europe experiences social unrest and high crime people will come.
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Old 12-14-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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It could only possible if there were an agreement between the European Union and the US so people from Europe could move to the US without a visa (and vice versa). I'm pretty sure that there would be massive emigration from Europe to the US (and some from the US to Europe) in such a scenario, even if it included only Western European countries (UK, France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Holland). The US fascinates lots of Europeans.
What's stopping Europeans from emigrating to the US is that it's simply too difficult. Education there is too expensive, and getting a job in the US from Europe is next to impossible if you're not getting help from someone (your company or someone you know in the US).
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:38 AM
 
Location: The Great Outdoors
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^You'd get a ton of Muslims with European passports.

Real Europeans, yeah, very many would love to move but it's so difficult.

Amnestying illegal invaders doesn't make any potential legal immigrant feel better about his/her prospects, either..
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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^You'd get a ton of Muslims with European passports.

Real Europeans, yeah, very many would love to move but it's so difficult.

Amnestying illegal invaders doesn't make any potential legal immigrant feel better about his/her prospects, either..

Not really. Very few I have met over the years wanted to stay here longer than 5 years. Some can't even take the US that long. Europe is way ahead of the US in having their govt's protect the people from the worst excesses of capitalism, and yet provide a market based economy with all the goodies we get to enjoy as well. They are leaps and bounds ahead of us in things like public transit, infrastructure, paid leave, health care, worker rights, and even high speed internet access at better costs as well lol. Why would they want to come here and deal with corporate America?


Author: When It Comes To High-Speed Internet, U.S. 'Falling Way Behind' : All Tech Considered : NPR

Americans are totally hoodwinked by the whole "exceptional" crap the right wingers constantly trot out. Wrong.
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:41 PM
 
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If Britain doesn't leave the European Union, gets overrun with eastern europeans and Anglos become a minority, I could see a waive of immigration to North America.
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Not really. Very few I have met over the years wanted to stay here longer than 5 years. Some can't even take the US that long. Europe is way ahead of the US in having their govt's protect the people from the worst excesses of capitalism, and yet provide a market based economy with all the goodies we get to enjoy as well. They are leaps and bounds ahead of us in things like public transit, infrastructure, paid leave, health care, worker rights, and even high speed internet access at better costs as well lol. Why would they want to come here and deal with corporate America?


Author: When It Comes To High-Speed Internet, U.S. 'Falling Way Behind' : All Tech Considered : NPR

Americans are totally hoodwinked by the whole "exceptional" crap the right wingers constantly trot out. Wrong.
Unemployment rate in the EU is over 10% overall with certain countries having over 25% unemployment like in Greece. The economic polices going on in Europe are actually horrible and Europe has severely been lagging behind the United States in recovering from the great recession. There banking protection is actual worse then the United States is currently and the austerity pushes that have been coming from Germany is harming the mediterranean countries. Europe's demographics are also horrible with Germany's population shrinking in the next few decades. Europe is looking more like it's going to a place of past glories and not a place where you'd want to live in the future the way things are heading now.
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