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Old 12-22-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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I'm confused, are you looking for any small town with mass transit, towns that are NOT connected to a major city, smaller cities with mass transit, or smaller metropolitan areas with mass transit?
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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I believe the Camden subway also opened in 1935, started planning in 1911 - sound like similar time frames

Both today have subways that go into the larger cities in the metro

both run 24 hours etc.
No, what are you talking about? Newark City Subway is local, it doesn't go to any other larger city (last stop is at nearby Bloomfield)... I am talking about stand alone local city subway, not NJ commuter rail/River line, or PATH, or PATCO, or any other "metro area wide" system. Camden doesn't have anything close to that as far as I am aware, since they have Philly's subway running through it.

It is a small system, but to be fair Newark is a pretty small city.


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Old 12-22-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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No, what are you talking about? Newark City Subway is local, it doesn't go to any other larger city (last stop is at nearby Bloomfield)... I am talking about stand alone local city subway, not NJ commuter rail/River line, or PATH, or PATCO, or any other "metro area wide" system. Camden doesn't have anything close to that as far as I am aware, since they have Philly's subway running through it.

It is a small system, but to be fair Newark is a pretty small city.
Yes, Newark has its own individual subway system. There are signs for it in Newark Penn Station, including old markings engraved into the walls.
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Old 12-22-2014, 01:20 PM
 
Location: The City
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No, what are you talking about? Newark City Subway is local, it doesn't go to any other larger city (last stop is at nearby Bloomfield)... I am talking about stand alone local city subway, not NJ commuter rail/River line, or PATH, or PATCO, or any other "metro area wide" system. Camden doesn't have anything close to that as far as I am aware, since they have Philly's subway running through it.

It is a small system, but to be fair Newark is a pretty small city.
I guess I never thought of it as a subway - its really more like a subway-surface trolly line I believe but ok more comprehensive (a tad more) PATCO and the NJT LRT line both also have multiple stops in Camden as well

PATCO does have 4 subway stops In Philly and many more in NJ - the LRT line runs from Camden to Trenton so ok guess I get your point but subway and LRT lines do serve Camden with multiple stops

and Camden is smaller than Newark.

My broader point was these are systems in larger metros known to be served by PT - the Newark subway basically always linked to rail into NYC
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Old 12-22-2014, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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I guess I never thought of it as a subway - its really more like a subway-surface trolly line I believe but ok more comprehensive (a tad more) PATCO and the NJT LRT line both also have multiple stops in Camden as well

PATCO does have 4 subway stops In Philly and many more in NJ - the LRT line runs from Camden to Trenton so ok guess I get your point but subway and LRT lines do serve Camden with multiple stops

and Camden is smaller than Newark.

My broader point was these are systems in larger metros known to be served by PT - the Newark subway basically always linked to rail into NYC
I agree. The Newark subway line certainly isn't "rapid transit" like the PATCO in Camden. PATH doesn't even go underground in Newark as its station is elevated.

Newark Subway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhIICTdTveE

PATCO Subway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTZE...aK-fuyPcTlyRG_
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Old 12-22-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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It might be less confusing if you asked about small cities with train systems. Or BRT systems. But then you wouldn't get Morgantown which is unique and indeed a small city.

Because many of us think of busses as mass transit. It is transit for groups (masses) of people.

Some busses are being outfitted with transponders that will turn traffic lights green. Small cities don't usually have massive traffic jams so the advantages of rail could be minor.

Do you mind explaining the motivation for your post? Looking to relocate carfree or just starting a conversation?
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Old 12-22-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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Kenosha, Wisconsin population 99,889 has its own tram system. Its also connected to Chicago via commuter rail.

Map of tram:

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Old 12-22-2014, 03:22 PM
 
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Not sure how much how much it would count but FWIW Cape May, NJ has a trolley service that runs about 12 hours a day during the summer (it's a resort town). It runs a route around town and along the beach.

Free Park & Ride Service, Trolley Route in Cape May NJ, Cape May Trolley Rides | CapeMay.com Hopefully the link works! It has a little map. I always found the trolley charming (it fits into the Victorian town) and unique.
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Old 12-22-2014, 03:26 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Morgantown WV with a population of around 30K (plus the additional 30K or so attending West Virginia University) has a Personal Rapid Transit system.

Personal Rapid Transit (PRT) | Transportation and Parking | West Virginia University
Wasn't that courtesy of Sen Byrd?
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Old 12-22-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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I agree. The Newark subway line certainly isn't "rapid transit" like the PATCO in Camden. PATH doesn't even go underground in Newark as its station is elevated.
The point is, Newark Subway is a stand alone system, independent from any NYC metro area systems. Nothing like that exists in Camden. Camden has Philly's mass transit, similar to Haddonfield, NJ for example and other commuter towns, while Newark's subway is an independent system.
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