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Old 12-24-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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I highly doubt you'll find a job in Syracuse.
Not necessarily true......

Green Guy, I think Syracuse could work as well. You can find areas that work and it would put you close to the Finger Lakes, hills and valleys, etc. Being honest, the city does have its good and bad neighborhoods and Onondaga Lake was one of the most polluted lakes in the country, but that lake has gone through dredging and Skaneateles Lake, a Finger Lake, is a source of unfiltered drinking water for the area. There is Oneida Lake near the first home I posted and people go boating there. There is Otisco Lake near the other 2 homes and other smaller lakes in the area. Here is some Skaneateles information: Skaneateles Area Chamber Of Commerce - Welcome to Skaneateles It is 15-20 minutes from Syracuse. This lakeside community is also along Route 20 east of Syracuse: Cazenovia Chamber of Commerce

Those 2 homes are south of the city where it is very hilly with plenty of valleys and nearby Route 20 is full of apple orchards and stands during the Fall. There is this festival in that area as well: LaFayette Apple Festival

This is probably the biggest orchard in that area: Beak & Skiff Apple Orchard

For organic food besides Wegmans, these markets may be options: Syracuse Real Food Coop

Green Planet Grocery

There's this as well: CNY Regional Market - regional market, syracuse regional market, farmers market syracuse, regional market syracuse ny, cny regional market, syracuse flea market

Ithaca is about 40-50 minutes to the south and is also known for its organic/vegetarian food scene as well. Ithaca Organics | Life is too short to eat bad food.
GreenStar Natural Foods Market
Vegan/Vegetarian Restaurants, Healthy, Organic, Ithaca, New York, NY
Ithaca Farmers Market |

If you like to ski, there are about 4 or 5 ski areas within minutes and there are municipal, county and state parks also within minutes. Here is the county parks website: parks-list Onondaga County Parks

These parks are near the Otisco homes: Highland Forest Onondaga County Parks

Otisco Lake Park Onondaga County Parks

Spafford Forest Onondaga County Parks

This park is by the Clay home: Oneida Shores Park Onondaga County Parks

As is this one: https://cicero.recdesk.com/recdeskpo...3/Default.aspx

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Old 12-24-2014, 02:04 PM
 
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Not all of the midwest by a large margin. Often overlooked but would fit perfectly is Grand Rapids, 4.2% unemployment, strong population growth. Billions of dollars in new investments over the last 10 years and still going strong. It fits all of the OP's criteria. Full of natural beauty, hills and forests and of course the hundreds of miles of lakeshore. It's been mentioned, I'd add it to the list
Awesome, thank you. I'll definitely add it to the list.

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Not necessarily true......

Green Guy, I think Syracuse could work as well. You can find areas that work and it would put you close to the Finger Lakes, hills and valleys, etc. Being honest, the city does have its good and bad neighborhoods and Onondaga Lake was one of the most polluted lakes in the country, but that lake has gone through dredging and Skaneateles Lake, a Finger Lake, is a source of unfiltered drinking water for the area. There is Oneida Lake near the first home I posted and people go boating there. There is Otisco Lake near the other 2 homes and other smaller lakes in the area. Here is some Skaneateles information: Skaneateles Area Chamber Of Commerce - Welcome to Skaneateles It is 15-20 minutes from Syracuse. This lakeside community is also along Route 20 east of Syracuse: Cazenovia Chamber of Commerce

Those 2 homes are south of the city where it is very hilly with plenty of valleys and nearby Route 20 is full of apple orchards and stands during the Fall. There is this festival in that area as well: LaFayette Apple Festival

This is probably the biggest orchard in that area: Beak & Skiff Apple Orchard

For organic food besides Wegmans, these markets may be options: Syracuse Real Food Coop

Green Planet Grocery

Ithaca is about 40 minutes to the south and is also known for its organic/vegetarian food scene as well.

If you like to ski, there are about 4 or 5 ski areas within minutes and there are municipal, county and state parks also within minutes. Here is the county parks website: parks-list Onondaga County Parks

These parks are near the Otisco homes: Highland Forest Onondaga County Parks

Otisco Lake Park Onondaga County Parks

Spafford Forest Onondaga County Parks

This park is by the Clay home: Oneida Shores Park Onondaga County Parks

As is this one: https://cicero.recdesk.com/recdeskpo...3/Default.aspx
Thanks ckh, that's a really helpful write-up on Syracuse. It does seem like it could work. Between Syracuse and Rochester, which do you think better meets my criteria? I got the impression that Rochester has a little bit better Quality of Life and is doing a little bit better.
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Old 12-24-2014, 02:36 PM
 
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Awesome, thank you. I'll definitely add it to the list.



Thanks ckh, that's a really helpful write-up on Syracuse. It does seem like it could work. Between Syracuse and Rochester, which do you think better meets my criteria? I got the impression that Rochester has a little bit better Quality of Life and is doing a little bit better.
I'd say Rochester gets the edge, but given your criteria, it is a matter of inches, not feet and you could live in between both. City to city, they are only an hour and 15 minutes away by car, give or take. So, you may be able to live somewhere in the Finger Lakes region that is roughly equidistant to both cities. There are some nice, quaint towns/cities in that area that may work. For instance, there is a poster on the NY forum that occasionally posts and lives in the town of Geneva, which surrounds this small city: Geneva | Uniquely Urban
Home & Geneva Chamber of Commerce
Downtown Geneva, New York 14456 - The Difference is Downtown!

So, something rural nearby may be an option. Places like Canandaigua, Seneca Falls, Waterloo and Auburn are also in between. Geneva, Canandaigua and Auburn also have a Wegmans for your organic fix. Canandaigua is closer to Rochester though. There is some big box shopping in each of these 3 communities too.

More info: The Canandaigua Chamber of Commerce welcomes you to our beautiful community and region!
Canandaigua, New York *
Downtown Canandaigua -

Welcome to the City of Auburn, NY
Home |
Welcome to Auburn Downtown

Seneca Falls, NY - Historic Gateway to the Finger Lakes

Waterloo, NY - Birthplace of Memorial Day

Things to Do - Finger Lakes Tourism Alliance
Official Travel and Tourism Information for Finger Lakes Wine Country
Finger Lakes - A guide to the Finger Lakes Region of New York State

For other shopping, these places could be options: Eastview Mall Rochester | Eastview Mall

Premium Outlets: Shopping That's Always Worth The Trip

Fingerlakes Mall

Is there anything else you like to do Green Guy in terms of sports/sporting events, the arts, lectures, music, events, etc?

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Old 12-24-2014, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Daly City (San Francisco Metro)
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Thriving areas in the Northern US:

Minnesota:
Minneapolis Metropolitan Area (think highest per capita # Fortune 500 companies out of 100 large metros; largest medical manufacturing area in the US; huge healthcare market... UnitedHealthcare, etc.; Target, Best Buy, 3M, General Mills... household names;
Rochester Metropolitan Area (think Mayo Clinic...)

Wisconsin
Madison Metro (think University of Wisconsin-Madison; most educated city in the US; <-all the innovation that comes from that; Google opened a campus here...)

Ohio
Columbus Metropolitan Area (think Ohio State; much larger version of Madison with less focus on the major research University)

Connecticut
Hartford (Insurance capital; Highest GDP per capita, etc. + benefits of being close to/inside NE Megapolis)

NE Corridor/Megapolis
Duh... center of universe/ economic activity in the US (NYC, DC, Boston, etc.); I'd look at smaller cities inside this corridor such as Bridgeport or Hartford (see above).

Honorable Mention/Other Contenders:
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Ann Arbor
Grand Rapids
Loop Chicago/N. Chicago & burbs
Des Moines
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Old 12-25-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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I'd say Rochester gets the edge, but given your criteria, it is a matter of inches, not feet and you could live in between both. City to city, they are only an hour and 15 minutes away by car, give or take. So, you may be able to live somewhere in the Finger Lakes region that is roughly equidistant to both cities. There are some nice, quaint towns/cities in that area that may work. For instance, there is a poster on the NY forum that occasionally posts and lives in the town of Geneva, which surrounds this small city: Geneva | Uniquely Urban
Home & Geneva Chamber of Commerce
Downtown Geneva, New York 14456 - The Difference is Downtown!

So, something rural nearby may be an option. Places like Canandaigua, Seneca Falls, Waterloo and Auburn are also in between. Geneva, Canandaigua and Auburn also have a Wegmans for your organic fix. Canandaigua is closer to Rochester though. There is some big box shopping in each of these 3 communities too.

More info: The Canandaigua Chamber of Commerce welcomes you to our beautiful community and region!
Canandaigua, New York *
Downtown Canandaigua -

Welcome to the City of Auburn, NY
Home |
Welcome to Auburn Downtown

Seneca Falls, NY - Historic Gateway to the Finger Lakes

Waterloo, NY - Birthplace of Memorial Day

Things to Do - Finger Lakes Tourism Alliance
Official Travel and Tourism Information for Finger Lakes Wine Country
Finger Lakes - A guide to the Finger Lakes Region of New York State

For other shopping, these places could be options: Eastview Mall Rochester | Eastview Mall

Premium Outlets: Shopping That's Always Worth The Trip

Fingerlakes Mall

Is there anything else you like to do Green Guy in terms of sports/sporting events, the arts, lectures, music, events, etc?
Something like this is in between and is within the Rochester metro area: 11905 SALTER COLVIN ROAD, Butler, NY 14590
Same general area: 9340 York Settlement Rd, Huron, NY 14516

Another one down the road and even closer to Rochester: 4729 Everdyke Rd, Williamson, NY 14589

Just west of Canandaigua and SW of Rochester: 8214 Quayle Rd, Richmond, NY 14471

Another one: 5418 Stuart Ave, Arcadia, NY 14513

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Old 12-25-2014, 07:45 AM
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Indianapolis and Sioux Falls SD are the fastest growing Northern metros last time I checked. Columbus and Minneapolis are very strong too
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Old 12-25-2014, 09:57 PM
 
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Not necessarily true......

Green Guy, I think Syracuse could work as well. You can find areas that work and it would put you close to the Finger Lakes, hills and valleys, etc. Being honest, the city does have its good and bad neighborhoods and Onondaga Lake was one of the most polluted lakes in the country, but that lake has gone through dredging and Skaneateles Lake, a Finger Lake, is a source of unfiltered drinking water for the area. There is Oneida Lake near the first home I posted and people go boating there. There is Otisco Lake near the other 2 homes and other smaller lakes in the area. Here is some Skaneateles information: Skaneateles Area Chamber Of Commerce - Welcome to Skaneateles It is 15-20 minutes from Syracuse. This lakeside community is also along Route 20 east of Syracuse: Cazenovia Chamber of Commerce

Those 2 homes are south of the city where it is very hilly with plenty of valleys and nearby Route 20 is full of apple orchards and stands during the Fall. There is this festival in that area as well: LaFayette Apple Festival

This is probably the biggest orchard in that area: Beak & Skiff Apple Orchard

For organic food besides Wegmans, these markets may be options: Syracuse Real Food Coop

Green Planet Grocery

There's this as well: CNY Regional Market - regional market, syracuse regional market, farmers market syracuse, regional market syracuse ny, cny regional market, syracuse flea market

Ithaca is about 40-50 minutes to the south and is also known for its organic/vegetarian food scene as well. Ithaca Organics | Life is too short to eat bad food.
GreenStar Natural Foods Market
Vegan/Vegetarian Restaurants, Healthy, Organic, Ithaca, New York, NY
Ithaca Farmers Market |

If you like to ski, there are about 4 or 5 ski areas within minutes and there are municipal, county and state parks also within minutes. Here is the county parks website: parks-list Onondaga County Parks

These parks are near the Otisco homes: Highland Forest Onondaga County Parks

Otisco Lake Park Onondaga County Parks

Spafford Forest Onondaga County Parks

This park is by the Clay home: Oneida Shores Park Onondaga County Parks

As is this one: https://cicero.recdesk.com/recdeskpo...3/Default.aspx
This video shows why in spite of being under the metro population criteria, the Ithaca area would be a very good fit: http://youtu.be/_z7L0THwZnw

More info: Mike Blaney on Vimeo

http://youtu.be/6yVHvjpYqjg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo-Lz6KhvKE

http://youtu.be/v5038qkzBnU

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Old 12-26-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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This video shows why in spite of being under the metro population criteria, the Ithaca area would be a very good fit: http://youtu.be/_z7L0THwZnw

More info: Mike Blaney on Vimeo

http://youtu.be/6yVHvjpYqjg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo-Lz6KhvKE

Farm to Fork, Ithaca NY! - YouTube
Another video:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yPLMugzMzT4
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Old 12-26-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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It's easier to pick out the cities in the north that AREN'T doing well, because when you get down to it most cities in the northeast and the midwest are doing just fine. Everyone just seems to focus on the failing and rough economies because it's more of a story.

Even Chicago's metro is now below the national average for unemployment. If you're white collar the city here is doing great with a very strong economy and a low unemployment rate, while for uneducated and blue collar it's of course much much higher. The city is pulling in two directions at once, with the official rates and economic indicators being somewhat misleading, as much of the city is doing much better than the indicators, and then other parts are doing much worse...

I think the state is actually very interesting right now, it explains why the unemployment rate is dropping so quickly. From 2013 to 2014 the census just released that Illinois lost around 10,000 people in population, which might be the first loss ever. At the same time the level of employed people in the state increased from fall of 2013 through November of this year by 187,902. The number of unemployed people dropped by 181,610 people, or almost 1/3. Hence the unemployment rate which had been so stubbornly high went from 9.2% to 6.4% in around one year. Chicago dropped even more to 5.7%. That's a huge delta between Chicago's rate and the rate of the state overall, since a large majority of the workers in the state are in Chicago. Goes to show how much worse Illinois is doing aside from the immediate Chicago area....

Seems unusual to have a state losing population but at the same time gaining 188,000 jobs. I would normally be worried about a population drop - but in this case I'm perfectly fine with it, as it seems its letting the state "reset" itself and jump start the economy.

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Old 12-26-2014, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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It's easier to pick out the cities in the north that AREN'T doing well, because when you get down to it most cities in the northeast and the midwest are doing just fine. Everyone just seems to focus on the failing and rough economies because it's more of a story.

Even Chicago's metro is now below the national average for unemployment. If you're white collar the city here is doing great with a very strong economy and a low unemployment rate, while for uneducated and blue collar it's of course much much higher. The city is pulling in two directions at once, with the official rates and economic indicators being somewhat misleading, as much of the city is doing much better than the indicators, and then other parts are doing much worse...
Yeah, some people in these forums are so stupid and make it sound like the Northeast and Midwest are collapsing and people are fleeing in droves. Give me a break.

Not to mention, there are plenty of people who move to the Northeast and Midwest for career, family, and yes, even climate reasons.
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