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San Diego to Orlando is a downgrade, plain and simple. Orlando is one of the most dangerous, least educated, lowest compensated, least insured, most underemployed, most transient metropolitan areas in the entire country, but you can get a brand new 3,000-sqft. 3-bed/2-bath home in a shiny tract neighborhood for $149,000.
Right, but there is a reason people are moving to NJ or CT or even PA and working in the city, rather than living there, too. They could live in New York if they wanted to but they chose to not (and in this area, there are many reasons - mostly financial - for moving). It's not as if the fact that the NY metro stretches into nearby states affects population of NY that much IMO. There's always room. NJ is the densest state and they still keep building and building, and we still have lots of open space in the southern part of the state. It could become even denser and the population can keep growing for its small size. No different in the NYC area of NYS. It just depends on how far people want to commute, and some commute from PA already so clearly some are willing to sacrifice a longer commute!
You are arguing a different point.
My point is that it is a different dynamic that doesn't effect CA, TX and FL in terms of population. NY is still growing, but it is at a slower pace.
San Diego to Orlando is a downgrade, plain and simple. Orlando is one of the most dangerous, least educated, lowest compensated, least insured, most underemployed, most transient metropolitan areas in the entire country, but you can get a brand new 3,000-sqft. 3-bed/2-bath home in a shiny tract neighborhood for $149,000.
I wouldn't disagree with you there. I wouldn't want to live in Orlando either. But it's their choice I guess.
Personally, I feel like New York has more to offer than Florida. Yes, FL has among the best beaches in the country, but it you've got many lakes to choose from in the summer for water sports in NY.. as well as Long Island.. the Hamptons, etc.
Gorgeous fall foliage in the mountains, particularly around Binghamton in the Catskills. The Adirondacks further upstate are amazing as well.
Also, who could forget Niagara Falls.
I agree but only on the basis of excluding Upstate. The only good things about Upstate are the Adirondacks and the Italian food which rivals NYC. Otherwise no. The weather, taxes, people and lack of jobs are big negatives.
It snows for 6 months (literally every day. You'll see sun three times a month if that on top of 10-20 degree temperatures), is rainy for 3 (1.5 for Spring, 1.5 for Fall), and then you have three months of great weather in Summer (if you're lucky, because this past summer was awful, it just stormed and was quite cooler than usual).
Spring and Fall are becoming shorter and shorter and often just goes from 30s to 70s in the same month or 70s to 30s.
The past calendar year Utica received only 37% annual sunshine. Which for comparison is among the worst in even Washington and lesser than Seattle.
I agree but only on the basis of excluding Upstate. The only good things about Upstate are the Adirondacks and the Italian food which rivals NYC. Otherwise no. The weather, taxes, people and lack of jobs are big negatives.
It snows for 6 months (literally every day. You'll see sun three times a month if that on top of 10-20 degree temperatures), is rainy for 3 (1.5 for Spring, 1.5 for Fall), and then you have three months of great weather in Summer (if you're lucky, because this past summer was awful, it just stormed and was quite cooler than usual).
See...in my opinion, the only part of NY that I like is upstate or anywhere other than the NYC area. Although, admittedly, the jobs situation is bleak (other than Albany). I'm an accountant and have looked into moving to Buffalo or Rochester. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are plenty of accounting positions in those areas, BUT almost all of them are currently filled. There are very few job openings, but plenty of jobs existing. I think many people in WNY are simply complacent and just hanging onto their current jobs, for the most part.
Downstate NY is not really the problem. The problem is upstate. When was the last time upstate had positive population growth as a region?
Even last census, downstate NY grew by more people than the whole state of NY...
On the other hand I wouldn't be opposed to expanding parks in upstate and returning more areas to nature. Adirondack park is already the biggest park in the country (bigger than Yellowstone, Glacier, Yosemite, and Grand Canyon combined), we should expand that.
Upstate NY is essentially a state in its own right and growth/decline in terms of population varies. Ironically, Saratoga County has been the fastest growing county in the state. Here is an interesting list: Growth of New York counties | rocdocs
On the other hand I wouldn't be opposed to expanding parks in upstate and returning more areas to nature. Adirondack park is already the biggest park in the country (bigger than Yellowstone, Glacier, Yosemite, and Grand Canyon combined), we should expand that.
Very true. It's only a state park as well. Not even national.
What happens when all those baby boomer retirees die?
Same thing that's happening to Pennsylvania right now, but more extreme. Pennsylvania has a glut of "Silent Generation" residents, and they're in the middle of a die-off right now. The "Baby Boomers" are an even larger generation, so if Florida has a glut of them, then the die-off in the 2020s and 2030s will become a major drag on Florida's population growth. And while Florida's birth rate is higher than Pennsylvania's, it's still below the national rate, so it might not be able to keep up. In other words, Florida will probably exhibit natural population decline that's offset only by foreign immigration and a slower influx of retirees.
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