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Old 12-24-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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I agree but only on the basis of excluding Upstate. The only good things about Upstate are the Adirondacks and the Italian food which rivals NYC. Otherwise no. The weather, taxes, people and lack of jobs are big negatives.

It snows for 6 months (literally every day. You'll see sun three times a month if that on top of 10-20 degree temperatures), is rainy for 3 (1.5 for Spring, 1.5 for Fall), and then you have three months of great weather in Summer (if you're lucky, because this past summer was awful, it just stormed and was quite cooler than usual).

Spring and Fall are becoming shorter and shorter and often just goes from 30s to 70s in the same month or 70s to 30s.

The past calendar year Utica received only 37% annual sunshine. Which for comparison is among the worst in even Washington and lesser than Seattle.
That weather information is a big exaggeration in terms of snowfall and rain.

Jobs will even depend on individual and market factors. While it could be better, the days of manufacturing, which peaked in 1979 in terms of employment in the US, are not what they used to be in general.
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Old 12-24-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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I actually think New York would be better off with 18 million or so. And I feel sorry Florida because too many people = less QOL over the long run. But that is their problem.

Finally some common sense. Why is this a bragging point I wonder. Do the people of Florida really want to live in a state with 20M? How bout 30M? 40M? Where does this runaway growth end? It is just grotesque how sprawl and massive population growth is thought of so highly in this country. When you drive around S. Florida it is just one giant sprawl suburb. Horrible with traffic, pollution, etc. It is only going to get worse. There are consequences for having almost a 1000 people a day moving into a state.

Also shows how pathetically small the warm winter areas in the US are. If much of the southern half of the country had winters on the scale of Florida not everybody would be cramming into that state. And most of the cramming seems to be in the southern tip.
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Old 12-24-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I just made the following post on Facebook, lol:

For the first time in decades, CT has lost population; -0.07% to be exact. Conservatives are pleased to hear this, because they think it helps them advance their agenda and assertion that the reason why CT lost population is due to liberal politics. This is completely false. The real reason is because of the baby boomer generation of retirees who are often choosing to move to Florida. During the same period that CT lost population, the median age in Florida went up from 41.1 to 41.5. That's an alarming rate. In CT it only went from 40.4 to 40.5. I mean, people rarely move out of a state because of the politics. Not to mention, Florida politicians don't have a good reputation either. And Florida has county layer government (more government), unlike CT. Give me a break.
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Old 12-24-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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That weather information is a big exaggeration in terms of snowfall and rain.

Its not an exaggeration.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/....html#calendar

Utica weather in the last year provided by that link which shows weather history, not to mention having lived here the last year.

2013

December - 19 days of snow (13 consecutive at one point), 4 days of sun, 5 days of rain, and 3 days of overcast/clouds.

2014

January - 19 days of snow, 7 days of sun, 4 days of rain, 1 day of overcast/clouds.

February - 22 days of snow, 5 days of sun, 1 day of rain.

March - 16 days of snow, 10 days of sun, 5 days of rain.

April - 3 days of snow, 12 days of sun, 15 days of rain.

May - 16 days of sun, 14 days of rain, 1 day of overcast/clouds.

June - 16 days of sun, 13 days of rain, 1 day of overcast/clouds.

July - 13 days of sun, 18 days of rain.

August - 14 days of sun, 15 days of rain, 2 days of overcast/clouds.

September - 19 days of sun, 9 days of rain, 2 days of overcast/clouds.

October - 12 days of sun, 19 days of rain.

November - 9 days of sun, 12 days of snow, 7 days of rain, 2 days of overcast/clouds.

December - 5 days of sun, 18 days of sun, 7 days of rain, 1 day of overcast/clouds.


From December 2013-2014, Utica had 109 days of snow (30%), 142 days of sun (39%), 132 days of rain (36%) and 13 days of overcast/clouds (4%).

So 39% of the time is was sunny, which is extremely poor and on par with the gloomiest parts of Washington, and even less sunshine than Seattle in the last year. On top of that it snowed 30% of the time and rained 36%. Thats 66% of the time that theres precipitation (snow/rain) and only 39% where theres at least partial sunshine or clear.

The US average is 205 days of sunshine and 25 inches of snow. Utica received 109 in the last calendar year which is almost an entire 100 days less and averages 95-105 inches of snowfall.

Not my idea of a great climate. Upstate NY is downright abysmal.

Three good months. Thats it.

As you were saying...

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Old 12-24-2014, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Reseda (heart of the SFV)
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Same thing that's happening to Pennsylvania right now, but more extreme. Pennsylvania has a glut of "Silent Generation" residents, and they're in the middle of a die-off right now. The "Baby Boomers" are an even larger generation, so if Florida has a glut of them, then the die-off in the 2020s and 2030s will become a major drag on Florida's population growth. And while Florida's birth rate is higher than Pennsylvania's, it's still below the national rate, so it might not be able to keep up. In other words, Florida will probably exhibit natural population decline that's offset only by foreign immigration and a slower influx of retirees.
So it's baked in the cake that the Gen Xers won't move to Florida when they retire? My guess is is that the Gen Xers will inherit the baby boomers Florida home and then they will retire there as old people do not handle cold-weather well at all.

People will still be retiring to Florida in droves even 50 years from now.
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Old 12-24-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Reseda (heart of the SFV)
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Let me put it bluntly.... IMO Massachusetts will ALWAYS have more prestige then Arizona.
Lol..no I actually agree with you as Boston is a world class city with amazing culture and some of the most prestigious universities in the country like MIT and Harvard. There's no doubt however that the Northeastern states will continue to lose their political power and influence to the Sunbelt states as their population continues to decline.
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Old 12-24-2014, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Lol..no I actually agree with you as Boston is a world class city with amazing culture and some of the most prestigious universities in the country like MIT and Harvard. There's no doubt however that the Northeastern states will continue to lose their political power and influence to the Sunbelt states as their population continues to decline.
Then what happens next? The sunbelt states will become so overcrowded, congested and EXPENSIVE. Heck, the sunbelt metro areas are already like that.

If Florida continues to take in retirees for 50+ years to come, I don't even want to imagine how disgusting and overcrowded that state will be.

Old people don't need to move to a warm climate, quite frankly. My grandparents are still here in CT, at the age of 80 and they're doing perfectly fine. There's millions of old people living all over the snowbelt in this country, doing just fine.

In 50 years from now, Florida might not even exist, due to rising sea levels.
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Old 12-24-2014, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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In 50 years from now, Florida might not even exist, due to rising sea levels.
Wishful thinking, perhaps?
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Old 12-24-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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Its not an exaggeration.

Weather History for Rome, NY | Weather Underground

Utica weather in the last year provided by that link which shows weather history, not to mention having lived here the last year.

2013

December - 19 days of snow (13 consecutive at one point), 4 days of sun, 5 days of rain, and 3 days of overcast/clouds.

2014

January - 19 days of snow, 7 days of sun, 4 days of rain, 1 day of overcast/clouds.

February - 22 days of snow, 5 days of sun, 1 day of rain.

March - 16 days of snow, 10 days of sun, 5 days of rain.

April - 3 days of snow, 12 days of sun, 15 days of rain.

May - 16 days of sun, 14 days of rain, 1 day of overcast/clouds.

June - 16 days of sun, 13 days of rain, 1 day of overcast/clouds.

July - 13 days of sun, 18 days of rain.

August - 14 days of sun, 15 days of rain, 2 days of overcast/clouds.

September - 19 days of sun, 9 days of rain, 2 days of overcast/clouds.

October - 12 days of sun, 19 days of rain.

November - 9 days of sun, 12 days of snow, 7 days of rain, 2 days of overcast/clouds.

December - 5 days of sun, 18 days of sun, 7 days of rain, 1 day of overcast/clouds.


From December 2013-2014, Utica had 109 days of snow (30%), 142 days of sun (39%), 132 days of rain (36%) and 13 days of overcast/clouds (4%).

So 39% of the time is was sunny, which is extremely poor and on par with the gloomiest parts of Washington, and even less sunshine than Seattle in the last year. On top of that it snowed 30% of the time and rained 36%. Thats 66% of the time that theres precipitation (snow/rain) and only 39% where theres at least partial sunshine or clear.

The US average is 205 days of sunshine and 25 inches of snow. Utica received 109 in the last calendar year which is almost an entire 100 days less and averages 95-105 inches of snowfall.

Not my idea of a great climate. Upstate NY is downright abysmal.

Three good months. Thats it.

As you were saying...
That is for one calendar year and the problem is that what the criteria for snowfall/sun/rain to qualify? Last year was about the freezing temperatures, not the snowfall and much of the country had below average winter temps last winter.

Keep in mind that Utica doesn't represent all of Upstate NY in terms of weather and different sources has/have different information(160 days of sun and averages just under 76 inches of snow and just under 42 inches of rain).

Also, you stated that it snowed for 6 months, every day. That is an exaggeration.

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Old 12-24-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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Lol..no I actually agree with you as Boston is a world class city with amazing culture and some of the most prestigious universities in the country like MIT and Harvard. There's no doubt however that the Northeastern states will continue to lose their political power and influence to the Sunbelt states as their population continues to decline.
The only state in the Northeast to decline in population is Rhode Island, FWIW.
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