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Old 12-30-2014, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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No, they are not "fake poor". Kiryas Joel, NY has the lowest per capita income of any place in America with over 10,000 people.
forget what is written on paper. Have you ever been there?



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Try to find "one" photo or video that shows a sign of this community being in any state of poverty. They get away with their actions by simply doing one action: Block Voting where the entire community votes for the same person their leader has chosen for them to vote for.
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Old 12-30-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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Those are low population areas just like some of the poorer counties in WV that only have 20,000 people living in them. The poorest areas, with massive amounts of people in poverty, are in big cities such as Detroit, Cleveland, and some cities in NJ. Athens, OH is considered one of the poorest small cities but it looks like nothing like the poverty you see in large cities.
Athens OH is a college town, in which such communities have high poverty rates largely due to off campus college being included in the poverty numbers. Numbers at the bottom illustrate this: Athens, OH Income and Careers - USA.com™

These pages provides more info: Athens, OH Population and Races - USA.com™

Athens, OH - USA.com™

McDowell County in WV comes to mind in regards to a county you are referring to.

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Old 12-30-2014, 07:29 PM
 
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Athens OH is a college town, in which such communities have high poverty rates largely due to off campus college being included in the poverty numbers. Numbers at the bottom illustrate this: Athens, OH Income and Careers - USA.comô

These pages provides more info: Athens, OH Population and Races - USA.comô

Athens, OH - USA.comô

McDowell County in WV comes to mind in regards to a county you are referring to.
Here are some more college towns, with poverty info at the bottom: East Lansing, MI Income and Careers - USA.comô

State College, PA Income and Careers - USA.comô

Bloomington, IN Income and Careers - USA.comô

Morgantown, WV Income and Careers - USA.comô
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Old 12-30-2014, 08:28 PM
 
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No, they are not "fake poor". Kiryas Joel, NY has the lowest per capita income of any place in America with over 10,000 people.

Kiryas Joel, New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You are right, but it is misleading. They are not "poor" in the common sense.

Do you consider priests and nuns poor? It's kind of the same thing.

The Hasidic jews in Kiryas Joel are from a sect where the men cannot work; they are required to study Torah all day. And they all have huge families, so obviously the women don't work.

No salary plus huge families = poverty, of course, but it is not "real" poverty. They live in subsidized housing, their kids all go to private schools, and everyone supports everyone else. There is no one suffering from lack of nutrition, lack of healthcare or lack of schooling. There is no one without decent housing, without community support. It is more like a giant commune or something, where everyone supports everyone, but most households have no official income.

I am saying it is not really "poor" too, because there is nothing to "fix". The goal here is essentially to be poor. But basically no one suffers from want.
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Old 12-30-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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Those are low population areas just like some of the poorer counties in WV that only have 20,000 people living in them. The poorest areas, with massive amounts of people in poverty, are in big cities such as Detroit, Cleveland, and some cities in NJ. Athens, OH is considered one of the poorest small cities but it looks like nothing like the poverty you see in large cities.
Athens is a college town. It isn't "poor" they are counting the college students as households.

NJ is the second richest state. Definitely not poor.

Detroit and Cleveland are pretty much average income metros. Not particularly poor.
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Old 12-31-2014, 12:55 AM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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I thought it was Allen South Dakota over by Pine Ridge. It has a 96.1% poverty rate, a median household income of $7,578. I mean that was 2000 census but it's probably not too different today.
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Old 12-31-2014, 07:55 AM
 
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I thought it was Allen South Dakota over by Pine Ridge. It has a 96.1% poverty rate, a median household income of $7,578. I mean that was 2000 census but it's probably not too different today.
Bennett County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
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Old 12-31-2014, 09:30 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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You are right, but it is misleading. They are not "poor" in the common sense.

Do you consider priests and nuns poor? It's kind of the same thing.

The Hasidic jews in Kiryas Joel are from a sect where the men cannot work; they are required to study Torah all day. And they all have huge families, so obviously the women don't work.

No salary plus huge families = poverty, of course, but it is not "real" poverty. They live in subsidized housing, their kids all go to private schools, and everyone supports everyone else. There is no one suffering from lack of nutrition, lack of healthcare or lack of schooling. There is no one without decent housing, without community support. It is more like a giant commune or something, where everyone supports everyone, but most households have no official income.

I am saying it is not really "poor" too, because there is nothing to "fix". The goal here is essentially to be poor. But basically no one suffers from want.
The only people who suffer are the non-Hasidic in their town (Town of Monroe) who are at the mercy of their voting. Kiryas Joel may not need services, but the other local residents do.

As said, while KJ may be poor on paper, they have a communal system that brings their standard of living much higher than their percentage of food stamp recipients might imply. Of course, as their population increases, the pressure on their resources, not least need for land and housing, will be strained. Most women in KJ get married early and have 7-10 children. It is this numer of children which qualifies them for such welfare benefits.

KJ is certainly one of the most interesting socio-political phenomenons in the U.S. today.
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Old 12-31-2014, 12:26 PM
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Location: West Michigan
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The only people who suffer are the non-Hasidic in their town (Town of Monroe) who are at the mercy of their voting. Kiryas Joel may not need services, but the other local residents do.

As said, while KJ may be poor on paper, they have a communal system that brings their standard of living much higher than their percentage of food stamp recipients might imply. Of course, as their population increases, the pressure on their resources, not least need for land and housing, will be strained. Most women in KJ get married early and have 7-10 children. It is this numer of children which qualifies them for such welfare benefits.

KJ is certainly one of the most interesting socio-political phenomenons in the U.S. today.
Interesting. I wasn't familiar with the social dynamics of the Hasidic community, so I thought their standard of living was very low.
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Old 12-31-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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Interesting. I wasn't familiar with the social dynamics of the Hasidic community, so I thought their standard of living was very low.
Think of Hasidic sects as a giant, socialistic commune. Everyone contributes to everyone else. It is a sin to allow anything bad to happen to any of your neighbors, so you are compelled to treat the whole community as your family.

There are rich people too, and they basically sacrifice for everyone else. Most people are technically very poor, but there is never a question of providing for the family, it is provided by the community at large.

Technically, many of the poorest census tracts in NYC are Hasidic Jewish too. But it is a different conception of poverty than the typical one.
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