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Old 12-31-2014, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Interesting. I wasn't familiar with the social dynamics of the Hasidic community, so I thought their standard of living was very low.
Nope. Look up Israel as they are having nearly the same issues. But the Hasidic (also known as Haredi) are loosing their foothold there since their block voting no longer gets them what they want. Israel is weening them off their welfare system by slowly forcing the men to enter the army (which is required of all teens when they hit 18, but the Haredi had a loop hole that as long as they were a student they didn't have to enlist) and forcing the older males who are past the age of conscription to actually learn a field and get a real job. So if NYS shrunk their power as a voting block and they too lost their control power then their demographics would change. NJ also has a large Hasidic community and they don't allow these games to happen.

How Lakewood, N.J., Is Redefining What It Means To Be Orthodox in America – Tablet Magazine
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Old 12-31-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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NSo if NYS shrunk their power as a voting block and they too lost their control power then their demographics would change. NJ also has a large Hasidic community and they don't allow these games to happen.
The Hasidic birth rate has nothing to do with local politics. People aren't having kids to prove some political point, it's cultural and religious.

And NJ has similar issues as NY, it's just that NJ (for now) doesn't have quite the same size population, so you don't (yet) have quite the same political issue.
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Old 12-31-2014, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Think of Hasidic sects as a giant, socialistic commune. Everyone contributes to everyone else. It is a sin to allow anything bad to happen to any of your neighbors, so you are compelled to treat the whole community as your family.

There are rich people too, and they basically sacrifice for everyone else. Most people are technically very poor, but there is never a question of providing for the family, it is provided by the community at large.

Technically, many of the poorest census tracts in NYC are Hasidic Jewish too. But it is a different conception of poverty than the typical one.
The ones that are rich don't really live in the community. But they do donate a large amount of their income to the sect and still live a lavish lifestyle. There is a working class of older males who are bused into the city to work and create income. But they get paid a Walmart check to show to the gov't and also get a floose (under the table cash) payment.

Calling them a socialistic commune is being nice when in reality its a cult that has a core of people who live a very lavish and rich life. There are numerous videos of million dollar weddings in their sects on you tube.
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Old 12-31-2014, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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The Hasidic birth rate has nothing to do with local politics. People aren't having kids to prove some political point, it's cultural and religious.
Why are you quoting something I didn't type???
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Old 12-31-2014, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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And NJ has similar issues as NY, it's just that NJ (for now) doesn't have quite the same size population, so you don't (yet) have quite the same political issue.
No it doesn't. The Hasidic community in Lakewood actually works. Their median incomes are extremely higher and their poverty rate is below 11% compared to KJ which is above 60%.
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Old 01-01-2015, 04:12 AM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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Well that's the whole county, here's some more updated census stuff for Allen.


Allen CDP, SD
Median Household Income
$ 15,500
Source: 2009-2013 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Individuals below poverty level
88.7 %
Source: 2009-2013 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Educational Attainment: Percent high school graduate or higher
46.2 %
Source: 2009-2013 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Health Insurance Coverage: Percent uninsured
18.5 %
Source: 2009-2013 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Total Housing Units
82
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Old 01-01-2015, 05:22 AM
 
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I would say between inner bay Baltimore and the South Side of Chicago. Camden did not even compare to those two places. Dilapidated, kids washing cars as you stop them at red lights, no supermarkets, buildings look broken and dark. Nothing to do. Horrible transportation. I can't believe City Data had a debate between DC and Baltimore. There was no debate for me. Baltimore is a God Forsaken place.

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Old 01-01-2015, 06:04 AM
 
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East St. Louis
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Old 01-01-2015, 11:19 AM
 
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No it doesn't. The Hasidic community in Lakewood actually works. Their median incomes are extremely higher and their poverty rate is below 11% compared to KJ which is above 60%.
The Lakewood Hasidic community has absolutely nothing to do with the KJ Hasidic community. Lakewood is Bobov, KJ is Satmar. They are totally different sects, and Lakewood Hasids work, so obviously there will be higher household income in Lakewood.

And Lakewood isn't 100% Hasidic Jewish, it's just around 50-60% Hasidic Jewish. KJ is 100% Hasid.
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Old 01-01-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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There are rich people too, and they basically sacrifice for everyone else. Most people are technically very poor, but there is never a question of providing for the family, it is provided by the community at large.

Technically, many of the poorest census tracts in NYC are Hasidic Jewish too. But it is a different conception of poverty than the typical one.
yeah but apparently not just their community. They are sucking social services from outside the community too, milking the welfare system while they sit around and do what, study the Torah all day?
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