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Old 02-21-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Delaware allowed slavery;that's why it is considered southern.
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When I lived in Wilmington, DE, it did not seem at all southern.
Although all states allowed slavery at one point. I think the only "old" states that never had slaves are in New England. DE holding to that was likely for balance reasons at the time (there was an attempt to make free/slave states equal in number).
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:41 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Although all states allowed slavery at one point. I think the only "old" states that never had slaves are in New England. DE holding to that was likely for balance reasons at the time (there was an attempt to make free/slave states equal in number).
DE had slaves through the Civil War. I don't think it was for "balance". It was for providing labor.
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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DE had slaves through the Civil War. I don't think it was for "balance". It was for providing labor.
I'm pretty sure they tried to keep the number of slave and free states equal around that time. Prior to the war.

I mean that was literally something they did.
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Old 02-21-2018, 07:57 PM
 
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People talk about Southern Delaware being the “south,” but I don’t think that’s accurate. *Rural* Delaware, like rural parts of PA, MD, NJ, and many other states, have elements of southern culture. But the coastal towns in DE do not feel southern. They are vacation spots for people in Philly, Wilmington, Baltimore, and DC. Delaware is today a northern state, IMO.
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Old 02-21-2018, 11:47 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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DE had slaves through the Civil War. I don't think it was for "balance". It was for providing labor.
Delaware's two slave state senators were about balance. Slaves were about labor.


I wondered why Texas wasn't broken up into multiple states to gain more slave state senators. Probably not enough population to make it viable even up to the 1860s in the western and northern more rural parts.
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Old 02-22-2018, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Jackson,MS
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Heres what i would consider the south, i left out Texas because i kind of consider them their own thing (aka Texas is Texas), even though parts of East Texas ,and even Houston are similar to the south. Also, No Oklahoma is not part the south they may have a similar accent but no, just no, **This is just a "ROUGH" outline**
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:12 AM
 
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Western MD is not southern, but is definitely central/northern Appalachian..
GS, hi.. I agree Western Maryland is Appalachian. But (your opinion) how is Maryland's Appalachian culture different/excised from the Southern subculture of Southwest VA/Western NC etc (?)
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:20 AM
 
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Heres what i would consider the south, .. **This is just a "ROUGH" outline**
Fair enough,.. I'm curious why you exclude Virginia's Eastern Shore from the South (?)
I've driven across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel a grip of times. And I submit even tho going from Virginia Beach to the Shore is a northbound drive, culturally it gets more Southern. Peace
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Heres what i would consider the south, i left out Texas because i kind of consider them their own thing (aka Texas is Texas), even though parts of East Texas ,and even Houston are similar to the south. Also, No Oklahoma is not part the south they may have a similar accent but no, just no, **This is just a "ROUGH" outline**
I disagree about Texas and Oklahoma (to me, they are at least half Dixie-southern), but generally the rest is nearly how I see it as well.

I personally would include a lot more of Kentucky as southern. If one had to draw a hard line, I have often touted taking Delaware's southern border and extending straight west until it hits the Ohio river.

I also do give credence Illinois' "Little Egypt" region claiming more kinship to the south. To be fair, Illinois dips waaaaay south, similar to how West Virginia goes as far north as NYC.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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Yes, look at a map. The southernmost part of Delaware is the same latitude as parts of Virginia.
Parts of Illinois, Indiana and even Ohio are further south than the southern most part of Delaware! They arenít considered southern states by any means, but the southern fringes do have some southern culture!
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