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Old 02-25-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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People say this, but without explanation, and I'd be really interested in hearing why. What does Washington's orbit mean to you, and how does it effect Fredericksburg and points northward greater than, say, points south?
When I say a place is in another's orbit, that usually means at least one of the following, and more often all of these things:

--It is either considered part of a city's Census-defined metropolitan area or part of its consolidated statistical area; in either case, it's within the commutershed;

--it is primarily served by the broadcast TV stations of a given city;

--people there tend to root for that city's sports teams;

--if the place isn't in the commutershed, then its residents often turn to that nearby city for certain kinds of entertainment or leisure activities.

It seems to me that Fredericksburg marks the point where people start watching Richmond TV stations and stop watching those in Washington. IIRC, Fredericksburg also marks the southern end of the Virginia Railway Express commuter train line to/from Washington. The express toll lanes in I-95 now extend about two-thirds of the way there, and I saw The Washington Post at local drugstores more than I did the Richmond Times Dispatch the last time i was there.

Certainly, Washington's suburban sprawl now extends well beyond the Capital Beltway. It hasn't really overrun Fredericksburg yet, but it's headed that way.
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Old 02-25-2018, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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When I say a place is in another's orbit, that usually means at least one of the following, and more often all of these things:

--It is either considered part of a city's Census-defined metropolitan area or part of its consolidated statistical area; in either case, it's within the commutershed;

--it is primarily served by the broadcast TV stations of a given city;

--people there tend to root for that city's sports teams;

--if the place isn't in the commutershed, then its residents often turn to that nearby city for certain kinds of entertainment or leisure activities.

It seems to me that Fredericksburg marks the point where people start watching Richmond TV stations and stop watching those in Washington. IIRC, Fredericksburg also marks the southern end of the Virginia Railway Express commuter train line to/from Washington. The express toll lanes in I-95 now extend about two-thirds of the way there, and I saw The Washington Post at local drugstores more than I did the Richmond Times Dispatch the last time i was there.

Certainly, Washington's suburban sprawl now extends well beyond the Capital Beltway. It hasn't really overrun Fredericksburg yet, but it's headed that way.
That doesn't explain why Fredericksburg is the invisible line of demarcation for North/South...

Washington sports fandom controls most of Virginia. Most of Virginia also turns to Washington for news and entertainment affairs...

Fredericksburg has a long, long history of connectivity with Richmond; that hasn't waned. Washington and Richmond have a long history of connectivity that strengthens yearly. There is no line that separates Fredericksburg, a city with its own story and that very much has a southern lineage, from Richmond, a more cosmopolitan city right down the road. Besides Alexandria, which obviously was originally part of Washington proper, there is nowhere in Northern Virginia or VA period that is as similar to DC, than Richmond...

I'm keeping my response brief because I'm sure those who have been around are nauseated with my conversations on this topic. Nobody who really knows Fredericksburg is gonna say the South ends there. Until the late-00s, roughly '07/'08, Fredericksburg was not even considered Northern Virginia. This is a very recent shift in popular opinion of even Virginians and should give some insight into the relationship between greater Washington and Central Virginia, amongst other things...
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Old 02-25-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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Interesting, but Washington, Virginia, Maryland...none of those are in the Midwest.
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Old 02-25-2018, 12:56 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Interesting, but Washington, Virginia, Maryland...none of those are in the Midwest.
Yes, that occurred to me too, after I got wrapped up in that Delaware/MD business. I'm guilty as charged.
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Old 02-25-2018, 01:04 PM
 
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Yes, that occurred to me too, after I got wrapped up in that Delaware/MD business. I'm guilty as charged.
I am, too.
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Old 02-25-2018, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Yes, that occurred to me too, after I got wrapped up in that Delaware/MD business. I'm guilty as charged.
Same.

Seems like that's where the real debate is though, as so many threads go into that subject.
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Old 02-25-2018, 08:12 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Maybe I-44 in Missouri?
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