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Old 04-09-2015, 10:49 AM
 
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Just curious. Have you or your spouse ever smoked pot?
Yeah I have. I have also gotten in drunken bar fights and have been arrested for DUI and am now 4 years clean. Every man in my family on both sides besides my father has had a substance abuse problem, that's genetic and I want to hopefully avoid that.
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My understanding from studies that have researched the foundations of political beliefs is that it's been concluded they are mostly genetic, particularly when it comes to social issues. E.g., when they looked at the political beliefs of identical twins separated at birth, they found they correlated significantly more than would be expected based upon chance.

I guess what I'm saying is chances are if you and your wife are right wingers, your son will be a right winger no matter where he ends up, just due to heredity. It's not like he'd stick out like a sore thumb in San Diego anyway - it's not Orange County, but there's plenty of Republicans down there due to the military presence, with a lot of the suburban areas strongly Republican.
I don't care if my son is a republican, he's a small child. I don't want him to be indoctrinated with views that are conflicting to our family. I will be frank here, because I know this site is very liberal I am expecting a ban but whatever. I am Christian, so yeah in my faith being gay is not ideal. When he is older, I intend to tell him that some people are gay and thats their life, but here is what our religion says about it.. Other folks may not agree with that but they don't have too, however if I trying to instill beliefs (that I didn't create) from our religion and simultaneously in class he is learning about the "heroes" of the gay rights movement, don't you think that's a little confusing for a kid? Don't you think that undermines our religion? I would have no issue if while they were in that unit in school there was an option for him to go to another class but apparently there is no option.


The taxes I can't do anything about but honestly that keeps eating at me. I am just trying to do the right thing for my family. Taking this job will allow me enough money to give him a better life but at the same time I feel like putting him in CA public schools is putting him in an uncomfortable position.
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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My understanding from studies that have researched the foundations of political beliefs is that it's been concluded they are mostly genetic, particularly when it comes to social issues. E.g., when they looked at the political beliefs of identical twins separated at birth, they found they correlated significantly more than would be expected based upon chance.

I guess what I'm saying is chances are if you and your wife are right wingers, your son will be a right winger no matter where he ends up, just due to heredity. It's not like he'd stick out like a sore thumb in San Diego anyway - it's not Orange County, but there's plenty of Republicans down there due to the military presence, with a lot of the suburban areas strongly Republican.
That's really interesting, because my parents were right-wingers and my siblings turned out liberals and I turned out to be a fiscal centrist and social libertarian.

Do have any links for this?

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Old 04-09-2015, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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That's really interesting, because my parents were right-wingers and my siblings turned out liberals and I turned out to be a fiscal centrist and social libertarian.

Do have any links for this?
Wiki has a summary.

See here for more details. Or here, if you prefer to read an academic paper.
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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Very interesting; thanks.
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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You raise some valid concerns. I was stationed in SD for a while, I hated every minute of it.

You are the only one that can decide what is best for your family, Will the raise be offset by the increased taxes and cost of living?

Is it worth the raise to expose your child to a system that is diametrically opposed to your own beliefs?

How, besides money, would this actually benefit your family?

Would your kids benefit from being so far from their grandparents and other relations?

Would it be good for you to be so far from your support system and only see your extended family on holidays?

If you can't answer positively to the above questions, I would seriously consider if having a few more bucks in your pocket is worth the destruction of your family as you know it, because, good or bad, it will change.

Would I move to a state where I abhored the government and it's policies and would be basically alone? Not on purpose.

I believe the quality of life is far more precious than just a paycheck. If I have to work 2 jobs or more to be in a place that I love and feel good about myself, or I could earn big bucks but be miserable, I'd choose the first option.

Just my opinion, anyway.
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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My untested and unsupported theory is that small children are predisposed to either cry or not cry, when exposed to stories of people suffering unhappy events. I believe this is genetic, since it manifests itself at such an early age.

This inherent response would be a strong indicator, as to whether or not the child grows up to possess or display empathy for benign people who are excluded by circumstances from happiness. Which, in large part, defines the divide in the USA between the liberal and conservative social philosophy.

I think I could watch a kindergarten for a few says, and predict with considerable accuracy which children will grow up to be liberals, and which will be conservatives.
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Old 04-09-2015, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Center City, Philadelphia
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My untested and unsupported theory is that small children are predisposed to either cry or not cry, when exposed to stories of people suffering unhappy events. I believe this is genetic, since it manifests itself at such an early age.

This inherent response would be a strong indicator, as to whether or not the child grows up to possess or display empathy for benign people who are excluded by circumstances from happiness. Which, in large part, defines the divide in the USA between the liberal and conservative social philosophy.

I think I could watch a kindergarten for a few says, and predict with considerable accuracy which children will grow up to be liberals, and which will be conservatives.
what? That is one of the craziness things I have ever saw someone write. So if a child shows empathy and cries that makes the child what?
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Old 04-09-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Randolph, MA
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what? That is one of the craziness things I have ever saw someone write. So if a child shows empathy and cries that makes the child what?
Someone who cares about social justice in regards to their peers?
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Old 04-09-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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Someone who cares about social justice in regards to their peers?
I'm a conservative who gags at the word social justice and I have always been sensitive and was a winey and empathetic kid. I hit a bunny driving last week and pulled over and said a prayer and was holding back tears for 30 minutes.


Please don't try and imply that because I am not an atheist, socialist, class warrior who despises tradition that I am not empathetic.
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Old 04-09-2015, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Center City, Philadelphia
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Someone who cares about social justice in regards to their peers?
lol so is that a liberal or a conservative? I just am confused how that in anyway, shape, or form is related to the future political alliance of a person.
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