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Old 04-18-2015, 07:47 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Much of the divisiveness during the days following the civil war and later during integration stemmed from class warfare more so than race.
I don't think that was the reality at all. Poor whites were still able to treat blacks like dirt and get away with it. The reverse was not even close to being true. Even the educated and more affluent blacks in those days faced adversity for no reason other than their race.
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Old 04-18-2015, 09:05 PM
 
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I don't think that was the reality at all. Poor whites were still able to treat blacks like dirt and get away with it. The reverse was not even close to being true. Even the educated and more affluent blacks in those days faced adversity for no reason other than their race.
Poor whites that treated blacks like dirt mostly did so because they had the "wrong" perception that the government was giving those poor blacks free housing and other benefits that they were themselves struggling to receive. In reality there own politicians and wealthy citizens were screwing them over, but that's what allowed the hate to foster for so long. For example poor white fisherman in Bayou La Batre Alabama during the 60's and 70's saw their livelihood displaced when the US Government dropped a lot Vietnamese people into their town. Those Vietnamese were given special grants and money by the US government to build up their own fisheries. This caused decades of hatred and racism towards people of Vietnamese decent. But again it was participated by a perceived "wrong" from the white community, much in the same way that following the end of slavery many poor white people perceived - wrongfully of course, that blacks were getting money and benefits that they had not earned.

Yes many wealthy and affluent blacks did face adversity, but again that was mostly from upper and middle class whites. In essence the wealthy in the south wanted to keep black people from attaining enough wealth and class status to creep into their communities. Poor whites and blacks were already living together, so while there was certainly some resentment towards each other, they didn't have the power to effectively oppress African Americans. Remember racism is all about power. A poor person can no more oppress another poor person, than a dog can talk.

The main reason racism was allowed to foster for so long in the South was because the region was so poor, generally speaking. Other areas of the country didn't experience the same degree of struggle like the south did because, again, by and large those areas had far better infrastructure than the south. If you look throughout the history of the US you will see the most violent up rises relating to racism occur and have occurred in the poorest areas of town.
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Old 04-19-2015, 06:36 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Poor whites that treated blacks like dirt mostly did so because they had the "wrong" perception that the government was giving those poor blacks free housing and other benefits that they were themselves struggling to receive. In reality there own politicians and wealthy citizens were screwing them over, but that's what allowed the hate to foster for so long. For example poor white fisherman in Bayou La Batre Alabama during the 60's and 70's saw their livelihood displaced when the US Government dropped a lot Vietnamese people into their town. Those Vietnamese were given special grants and money by the US government to build up their own fisheries. This caused decades of hatred and racism towards people of Vietnamese decent. But again it was participated by a perceived "wrong" from the white community, much in the same way that following the end of slavery many poor white people perceived - wrongfully of course, that blacks were getting money and benefits that they had not earned.

Yes many wealthy and affluent blacks did face adversity, but again that was mostly from upper and middle class whites. In essence the wealthy in the south wanted to keep black people from attaining enough wealth and class status to creep into their communities. Poor whites and blacks were already living together, so while there was certainly some resentment towards each other, they didn't have the power to effectively oppress African Americans. Remember racism is all about power. A poor person can no more oppress another poor person, than a dog can talk.

The main reason racism was allowed to foster for so long in the South was because the region was so poor, generally speaking. Other areas of the country didn't experience the same degree of struggle like the south did because, again, by and large those areas had far better infrastructure than the south. If you look throughout the history of the US you will see the most violent up rises relating to racism occur and have occurred in the poorest areas of town.
Sorry, but none of this has anything to do with white men hanging innocent black men from trees or blowing up churches with little black girls inside. The South was a twisted place, and there isn't a single excuse in the book you can come up with to negate that fact.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:42 AM
 
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Sorry, but none of this has anything to do with white men hanging innocent black men from trees or blowing up churches with little black girls inside. The South was a twisted place, and there isn't a single excuse in the book you can come up with to negate that fact.
I agree. The south was a very dangerous place for black people. Forgive me not trying to make excuses.
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Old 04-19-2015, 11:17 AM
 
Location: LoS ScAnDaLoUs KiLLa CaLI
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I think he's talking about Virginia Beach. If so that's no surprise since military areas tend to have a high level of racial integration and mixing.
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/...c2010br-13.pdf

Page 18

Top 10 cities by % of Mixed Race people

1) Honolulu, HI: 16.3%
2) Fairfield, CA: 8.8%
3) Anchorage, AK: 8.1%
4) Tacoma, WA: 8.1%
5) Elk Grove, CA: 7.9%
6) Antioch, CA: 7.7%
7) Vallejo, CA: 7.5%
8) Sacramento, CA: 7.1%
9) Hayward, CA: 7.1%
10) Stockton, CA: 6.9%

The only reason I'm pointing this out is because the OP's tone is pretty infantilizing. No need for that.
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Old 04-19-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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Well that validates my theory why DC and the Northern VA/Montgomery County suburbs are becoming more segregated and racist with the influx of Northeastern and Midwestern transplants.

Granted DC was always a POS segregated town, but Northern VA and MoCo were fine and integrated and racially cordial during the 90s and early 00s when it was mostly natives, immigrants, and transplants from the Western US.
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Old 04-19-2015, 12:47 PM
 
Location: West of the Rockies
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Could it be that the media has spent so much time pounding on the south for being this hellhole racial war zone that now southerners have started to bend over backwards to defy the stereotype? And now we are seeing a change in tide towards the opposite direction? Food for thought.

The supposed "progressive" attitude of the north may be coming back to bite them in the butt. These liberal whites who viewed minorities more as charity cases ended up fostering an underclass of (mostly non-white) minorities and a subset of privileged whites. As a result, metros like Boston, DC, Chicago, and even NYC are experiencing some pretty bad racial tension in the irony of it all. This has already happened in European countries like France, Germany, and Sweden where the indigenous Europeans now despise the Middle Easterns and Africans that were welcomed in on some kind of charity case.

Not saying the southeast is now all the sudden this beacon of peaceful race relations because it isn't. But I definitely don't think the north is really all that better for the advancement of black Americans.
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Could it be that the media has spent so much time pounding on the south for being this hellhole racial war zone that now southerners have started to bend over backwards to defy the stereotype? And now we are seeing a change in tide towards the opposite direction? Food for thought.

The supposed "progressive" attitude of the north may be coming back to bite them in the butt. These liberal whites who viewed minorities more as charity cases ended up fostering an underclass of (mostly non-white) minorities and a subset of privileged whites. As a result, metros like Boston, DC, Chicago, and even NYC are experiencing some pretty bad racial tension in the irony of it all. This has already happened in European countries like France, Germany, and Sweden where the indigenous Europeans now despise the Middle Easterns and Africans that were welcomed in on some kind of charity case.

Not saying the southeast is now all the sudden this beacon of peaceful race relations because it isn't. But I definitely don't think the north is really all that better for the advancement of black Americans.
The racial tensions aren't nearly as bad. Look at the video from North Charleston of the black man who was ACTUALLY shot in the back as he was running away. There wasn't any race rioting, but vigils and peaceful protests... Unlike Ferguson.
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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The racial tensions aren't nearly as bad. Look at the video from North Charleston of the black man who was ACTUALLY shot in the back as he was running away. There wasn't any race rioting, but vigils and peaceful protests... Unlike Ferguson.
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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The race relations in the South is actually better on average than the rest of the country at least imo, I know the liberal areas like NYC, LA and Chicago don't like to hear that but its the true, is this not the 50s 60s anymore.
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