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Old 04-22-2015, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Nation du Québec
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I don't really care. Please note, that yes, Americans as a collective support FREEDOM! and BOOTSTRAPS!, but IMO we do so to a fault. Also, your proposed Swiss/Norwegian level of tranquility and peace directly conflicts with your hopes of an American-like republic.

Remember, that which divides us, well, divides us. Instead of Quebecois uniting with the rest of Canada as Canadians, you wish to balkanize yourselves as I'd presume, a Francophone state? So does that mean y'all are going to deport your Anglophones to Louisiana?
Hi David, thank you for you response.

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Also, your proposed Swiss/Norwegian level of tranquility and peace directly conflicts with your hopes of an American-like republic.
Switzerland is a republic so is Iceland, Germany and France and America. We want a republic with checks and balance and no longer a European monarchy. There is not something about being a republic that makes peacefulness impossible like Iceland shown. Sorry for my bad English.

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Remember, that which divides us, well, divides us. Instead of Quebecois uniting with the rest of Canada as Canadians, you wish to balkanize yourselves as I'd presume, a Francophone state? So does that mean y'all are going to deport your Anglophones to Louisiana?
You see, Canada is not united as a nation like USA or France. It is that in Québec we were original Canadiens, and conquered by another country and then colonized by them. We go to different school, hospital, work, church, universities, restaurant. We watch entirely different TV, listen to different music. The only bond we have with rest of Canada is that we have the same federal government. Besides this, they are entirely foreign to us just as much as a guy in Oregon. It is not balkanizing because we are not the same people as the guys in Alberta. Imagine if another country conquered you, colonized you, and then you have the chance for peaceful independence from them, I think the most Americans would take this peaceful opportunity.

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So does that mean y'all are going to deport your Anglophones to Louisiana?
No, we do not support that kind of thing. In Québec anglophone rights are guaranteed. They have their own hospitals, schools, businesses as they wish. They are treated much better than francophones outside of Québec who usually have none of these things. Quebec independence is not for revenge, it is about a different nation of peoples who wants to be independent from the people who took them over. Like the heroes of 1776 in America who just wanted to do their own thing. We have no bad feelings towards anglophones. Sorry for my English.
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Old 04-22-2015, 06:58 PM
 
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thats enough already... its 2 thousand f*cking fifteen. We don't need to focus energy on what divides people, or what border lines in a country divide people...its enough already quebec, you can just be canada still. You dont need to divide off, its 2018 and lets focus less on divisions, more on co operating
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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Hi David, thank you for you response.

Switzerland is a republic so is Iceland, Germany and France and America. We want a republic with checks and balance and no longer a European monarchy. There is not something about being a republic that makes peacefulness impossible like Iceland shown. Sorry for my bad English.

You see, Canada is not united as a nation like USA or France. It is that in Québec we were original Canadiens, and conquered by another country and then colonized by them. We go to different school, hospital, work, church, universities, restaurant. We watch entirely different TV, listen to different music. The only bond we have with rest of Canada is that we have the same federal government. Besides this, they are entirely foreign to us just as much as a guy in Oregon. It is not balkanizing because we are not the same people as the guys in Alberta. Imagine if another country conquered you, colonized you, and then you have the chance for peaceful independence from them, I think the most Americans would take this peaceful opportunity.

No, we do not support that kind of thing. In Québec anglophone rights are guaranteed. They have their own hospitals, schools, businesses as they wish. They are treated much better than francophones outside of Québec who usually have none of these things. Quebec independence is not for revenge, it is about a different nation of peoples who wants to be independent from the people who took them over. Like the heroes of 1776 in America who just wanted to do their own thing. We have no bad feelings towards anglophones. Sorry for my English.
Your English is great, better than many native speakers, from what I read here.

Do you not see how your entire justification for an independent Quebec is separation? Do the folks in Gatineau feel completely foreign to their Ottawa neighbors? You guys can't even share public facilities with each other? The U.S. is 12% Spanish-speaking (with varying degrees of concentration), and even suggesting having different facilities for them would be considered a ludicrous idea.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Nation du Québec
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Your English is great, better than many native speakers, from what I read here.

Do you not see how your entire justification for an independent Quebec is separation? Do the folks in Gatineau feel completely foreign to their Ottawa neighbors? You guys can't even share public facilities with each other? The U.S. is 12% Spanish-speaking (with varying degrees of concentration), and even suggesting having different facilities for them would be considered a ludicrous idea.
Hi David, thanks for complimenting my English. French in Québec it isn't really comparable to Spanish in America. Imagine if you can drive 24 hours hearing only French radio, French tv, French speakers in the towns, and all writing in French. Imagine you need French to find a job or go to 95% of schools, to fit in the society there. That is Québec. Only about 1/3 can speak English because we work, go to school and everything in French. We watch French (France, Swiss, Belge) TV and Québec homes grown entertainment. Acajack says it perfectly. Imagine if the Midwest was all French and the cities were in French, and everything operates in French. Yes, we feel foreign to Ottawa, but Gatineau is exceptional because it has a high number of federal workers. If you have been to Belgium or Switzerland it is like that. When you cross in Québec from Ontario it is a different nation in every way except the government federal, and vice versa.

I know having different facilities sounds ludicrous in America, but in Canada that is how it is, it is the compromise made that would keep Québec from going independent. Independence, or different facilities. Right now we have separate everything because people can't communicate with each other. What do you do when you only speak English and the whole hopital is in French? Both Quebec and rest of Canada do not learn the other language approriately even when the federal government has made it forced. Only about 7% of anglophones in Canada can speak French at all most in Québec or on it's border. We share public facitilies all the time but there is a language in command, so if it is in French at the movie the anglophones will leave because it is entirely foreign for them. They want school in English, not French so we give them that. It is the same that outside of Québec is in English, if you are a Québecois and leave to rest of Canada you better know English because no one speaks French and you are a nuisance. Anglophones from rest of Canada know that to move to Québec you need to be fluent in French (except in some cases) because you will never be hired in work or be able to talk to anyone outside of the anglophone minority (8% of Québec).

It is the same way Belgium work. It is two nations in one government.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Canada is one of the best countries in the world, and it would be a damn shame to break it apart. If Quebec really wants independence they should get it, but it would be an unfortunate event, IMO. I feel the same way about Scotland separating from the UK.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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The U.S. is 12% Spanish-speaking (with varying degrees of concentration), and even suggesting having different facilities for them would be considered a ludicrous idea.
It is a very different situation from Spanish in the US. Almost everyone speaking Spanish in the US is an immigrant or the offspring of immigrants. There isn't an Alaska size territory that is a "homeland" with major world cities with millions of people in the metro (Montreal, Quebec City) or even smaller cities like Trois-Rivieres, Saguenay, or Sherbrooke that have hundreds or thousands of people, all living and operating in French and identifying as Quebecois before Canadian. Like Bonjour said, you can't drive for hours across the US only speaking Spanish and seeing Spanish everywhere you go. Going to Quebec is not much different from going to France in that it is legitamtely a French-speaking country. Sure, some people speak English, especially those with higher education, but it is a French-speaking country within a country, kind of like Wallonia within Belgium. You cross a line and with the exception you are honestly in a different world. There isn't anything that comes remotely close to it in the US.

The Quebecois were actually the "Canadiens" and Canada was all French speaking. It is conquered and the "Canadiens" or as they are now called Quebecois, were reduced to only the territory in Quebec. The anglophone settlers only embraced the name "Canadian" in the early 20th century. It is actually used as an insult in many English-speaking circles before that - it referred to a French Canadian who in those days was a second class citizen and considered racially inferior to the Anglos.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Denver
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"Americans" raped and killed millions of natives and built this country on the backs of slaves. This country has nothing to be proud of.
But yes, Quebec should be independent.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Your English is great, better than many native speakers, from what I read here.

Do you not see how your entire justification for an independent Quebec is separation? Do the folks in Gatineau feel completely foreign to their Ottawa neighbors? You guys can't even share public facilities with each other? The U.S. is 12% Spanish-speaking (with varying degrees of concentration), and even suggesting having different facilities for them would be considered a ludicrous idea.
Honestly from what I've seen as an outside observer Quebec really is vastly different from the rest of Canada. Quebec is a francophone nation and English Canada is hardly bilingual at all. They really do have different opinions on how things should actually be run. Their views of the United States are almost completely polar opposite with the rest of Canada being very anti-American where as Quebec generally has a rather good opinion of the United States. The mentalities really are different and the fact of the matter is all this time later they still haven't converged in there mentalities pretty much at all really speaks volumes about how supposedly "united" Canada is.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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"Americans" raped and killed millions of natives and built this country on the backs of slaves. This country has nothing to be proud of.
But yes, Quebec should be independent.
Every tribe and nation on earth has raped and killed others for thousands of years . The native Americans which you brought up as being purely innocent victims were no different with them killing off other tribes. Hell the main reason why the tribe that helped the pilgrims did so was because they wanted there aid in killing another tribe that was a threat to them. Slavery also has existed in every continent except Antarctica and only because it's to cold there for it to make any sense. So yes the US has the right to be proud of our accomplishments like being victorious in WW2, putting a man on the moon, banishing the darkness of night by providing electric light and all the innovations this country has made that throughout it's history. So please get over yourself already.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Every tribe and nation on earth has raped and killed others for thousands of years . The native Americans which you brought up as being purely innocent victims were no different with them killing off other tribes. Hell the main reason why the tribe that helped the pilgrims did so was because they wanted there aid in killing another tribe that was a threat to them. Slavery also has existed in every continent except Antarctica and only because it's to cold there for it to make any sense. So yes the US has the right to be proud of our accomplishments like being victorious in WW2, putting a man on the moon, banishing the darkness of night by providing electric light and all the innovations this country has made that throughout it's history. So please get over yourself already.
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