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Old 05-03-2015, 07:17 AM
 
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Sir, with all you respect, please walk away from this conversation. The only ethnicity and culture I claim (and this is true for the majority of Mexicans) is Mexican (and American - as I have dual citizenship). This wouldn't change even if I took a genetic test that told me my ancestry was 100% Iberian. I would still be Mexican through and through. My paternal ancestors have been in the American for hundreds of years, and my maternal line goes back thousands according to my mitochondrial DNA. Either way, far removed from the modern entity that is Spain, as my Spanish ancestors were most likely Christian moors and cryptic Jews. Both unwanted and prosecuted in the Spain of yesteryear. I'm not sure why I would want to claim a place that hunted down my ancestors.

Also, Mestizo, in Mexican context does not mean 50% and 50%. Mexicans are what ware called multigenerational mixed peoples, and within the same family you can have someone that is 70% European, rest indigenous, part African...and someone that is 60% indigenous, rest European. They are BOTH mestizo.


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Interesting thread...goes to show that a lot of what is perceive to be constricted/solid (our definitions of race and ethnicity) are rather fluid. I mean, most of our national backgrounds (whether Irish, American, Mexican or German) are creations of the last hundred years, and before that people associated with completely different ethnic groups that mostly associated them with a particular village/town/clan. Many of our modern nations are mixes of all these, now forgotten by most, ethnic groups and other populations that migrated or conquered.

As for me, I'm Mexican (100%) and my ancestry includes French-Nicaraguan, Eastern European, Spanish, Amerindian and Japanese. Some people have confused me (I have a pic in my profile) for Iberian or Italian, but much more often I get lots of people who think I am North African/Arab or Turk. Every once in a while I get Pakistani/Northern Indian. Essentially, I seem to have a West Asian/North African look to me. For the most part, it seems that quite a bit of Mexicans do. I live in an area that has both a high concentration of Latinos (mostly Mexican) and Middle Easterners (Syrian/Armenian/Palestinian and Persian) and often I've confused one for the other (until, that is, they started speaking their native language).
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link: Are you ever mistaken for a race/ethnicity/ancestry that you are not?
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:49 AM
 
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Ok, I am Latino myself and I'll tell you my point of view on your question. But first let me tell you that there is a huge difference between Latino immigrants vs son of immigrants. It's been said that culture start to fade away after 3rd generation. So I am NOT going to talk about son of immigrants because they seem trying to hard acting as "latino wannabes" when they are pretty American. And I understand that Latino culture has strong roots and it is not easy to get rid of the culture; however, don't get fooled.. they still are pretty American in every single aspect.

I remember meeting a son of a Colombian friend who was trying to act as "paisa" and he thought because he was in Colombia for vacations connecting with his roots he thought is Colombian when he's not. Same goes with sons of Cubans born in the U.S. here in Miami my actual city. Most sons of Cubans kind of won't recognize themselves as Americans but Cuban, and it is because they are pretty anti-american and this flaunting position it's been transmitted by generations. Even though it's confusing seeing them exhibiting this razzmatazz American acting switch once they are in front of other English speaker.

In general Latinos share several common treats as we are affectionate (with variations), known for being romantic, sons still live with family at late ages, seasoned food, women are hot and we like to play jokes (indigenous malice) since we don't take so serious like Americans.

Having considered similarities, it is also reasonable to look at differences that are obvious in every culture as mentioned above. Here is what Latinos think about other Latinos:

1) Dominican: they are lazy as@#, most are poor and live piled up in a single room (same goes for Mexicans). Even though when you think of a Dominican it's a synonymous of bachata (tropical music), sea, and women.
2) Puerto Rican: Most wanted for a green card. Good music, nice girls, good vibe. On the dark side they are known for being arrogant and they brag about being real "Americans" even though the island is pretty poor, Latino background, and nobody speaks English.
3) Mexican: Most of them are perceived as hardworking people and some are humble. BUT No Latino wants to be associated with Mexicans, but this sadly happens oftenly when a "gringo" mistakenly hear someone speaking in Spanish and ask: are you Mexican? (@#$%). Mexicans are probably the most hated of all. They are been known for being greasy, declassé, and it's synonymous of illegal.
4) Columbian: Actually it's ColOmbian, with middle "o" (typical err). Impressively we are well respected here in the U.S. in despite our daunting struggling against drugs and guerrilla. (no more drugs btw. They moved to Mexico). Most people are decent, well spoken and nice people. In the dark side, Colombians are sadly pretty individualistic and not help their same ones. When they make money they forget where they came from. (my experience)
5) Salvadorian: I have mixed information about them. Some people say they are pretty nasty and women are gold diggers and poor education. In the good side they are humble and hardworking people. Most Latinos are way contemptuous against them calling them "indios" (indigenous) since their race is not so white.
6) Costa Rican: they are pretty similar to Colombians, in race and phonetics. It's hard to differentiate a Colombian with a Costa Rican. They are known for having certain status, being a nice country to raise kids and a retirement country for elderly people. In the dark side, they are the "whites" of Central America and act like that against other countries that don't want to be associated with.
7) Peruvian: In Latino America they are considered the "worst". Being called a Peruvian is almost an insult, and this degrading karma was due to "Laura en America" a talk show celebrity that marked this country forever. ("El carrito sanguichero; que pase el desgraciado). In the good aspect and after being known Peruvians in deep they are very smart people, hard working, incredibly nice cosine, and full of a mystic culture background. (Mayan culture).
8) Nicaraguan: Almost same as Salvadorian.
9) Guatemalan: Almost same as Salvadorian.
10) Cuban: the MOST hated among all. Arrogant, racists, fraudsters, criminals, liars, incredibly biased culture, sectarians, nasty, bad mouthed, uneducated, diclassé, promiscuous, clique culture, evil, witchcraft practice (santeria), ruckus ppl and a large etc of the most despicable people I have ever known in my life. Shocking culture that made of Miami a cockpit, and extension of Cuba. If there is a Cuban hiring people in a company you bet your resume will be end up in the basket. Period. NOthing good for these people.
11) Honduran: They are trying to act "white" as Costa Ricans, and think they are "finer" than their neighbors. Some of them are nice others so-so. They are a mix between Costa Ricans and Salvadorians.
12) Panamanian: In general they are nice people. Pretty calm, good food, nice treaty with them.
13) Venezuelan: they used to be the "rich" of Latin America. They used to be arrogant, and phony and full of themselves. The middle and upper classes still keep this attitude in despite their country issues.
14) Bolivian: Have little info about them but I know for sure they are neither one thing or the other.
15) Chilean: the eternal enemies of Argentinians. They are a mix between a Bolivian and an Argentinian. Kind of humble kind of arrogant.
16) Ecuadorian: humble and hard working people. Pretty naive.
17) Paraguayan: same as Bolivians. they are neither one thing or the other
18) Uruguayan: Pretty pacific. Nice people. Act as whites. Nothing to say about them really.


Countries you forgot:
19) Spain: arrogant, racists. They are the real Hispanos.
20) Brazil: zamba, music, hot women, hot weather, Amazon. As people are really nice people. Very nice people I can tell you.
21) Argentinians: arrogant, racists, narcissistic. The good part of them are the cosine specially the meat. Basically they are a very cocky Italian descendants attitude. The funny part is Italians discriminate them.


So again, don't take my description too seriously. Obviously these are only generalizations. Human beings are a universe and we have the ability to absorb other culture having a mix of different cultures. thks.
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Old 05-03-2015, 09:46 AM
 
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Rudy you are not 100% iberian, i found this post of you


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Interesting thread...goes to show that a lot of what is perceive to be constricted/solid (our definitions of race and ethnicity) are rather fluid. I mean, most of our national backgrounds (whether Irish, American, Mexican or German) are creations of the last hundred years, and before that people associated with completely different ethnic groups that mostly associated them with a particular village/town/clan. Many of our modern nations are mixes of all these, now forgotten by most, ethnic groups and other populations that migrated or conquered.

As for me, I'm Mexican (100%) and my ancestry includes French-Nicaraguan, Eastern European, Spanish, Amerindian and Japanese. Some people have confused me (I have a pic in my profile) for Iberian or Italian, but much more often I get lots of people who think I am North African/Arab or Turk. Every once in a while I get Pakistani/Northern Indian. Essentially, I seem to have a West Asian/North African look to me. For the most part, it seems that quite a bit of Mexicans do. I live in an area that has both a high concentration of Latinos (mostly Mexican) and Middle Easterners (Syrian/Armenian/Palestinian and Persian) and often I've confused one for the other (until, that is, they started speaking their native language).
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link: Are you ever mistaken for a race/ethnicity/ancestry that you are not?
The troll factor on this one....

You would have saved yourself a lot of time if your reading comprehension skills weren't lacking. I said "even if". Ive never claimed myself as an Iberian , or criollos (pure Iberian born in the Americas) as they used to be known. I am like most Mexicans...a mix of many various ancestries. I am not some Argentinean dude looking to white wash myself. If i found out tomorrow a great grandmother was Yaqui or Mayo or Navajo (Natives all found in Mexicos Northwest, where im from), i would be CELEBRATING that part of myself, not denying it.

**On a side note, a couple weeks ago i found out one of maternal great great grandmothers is South Asian. Probably of Kashmiri origins, since my grandparents describe her to be fair skin, with red hair and green eyes....traits which can be found in Northern India, and other South Asian countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan. The reason I'm sharing this is to illustrate to the OP why labels like 'Hispanic' and 'Latino' are problematic to many, as they hide our rich histories and ancestries from around the world.

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Old 05-03-2015, 11:35 AM
 
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The reason I ask is because 24% of Hispanic/Latino people in the U.S. don't speak Spanish at all.
This is the problem with a made up ethnicity.
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Old 05-03-2015, 11:38 AM
 
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First of all...

Do you realize that outside the elite 5% of Mexico, who are somewhat obsessed with being European a le Argentines, the rest of us are too proud of our Mexican culture and roots to even want to claim Spanish heritage, despite it being an essential part of our culture?

Also, the majority of Mexicans are mestizos, meaning mix Euro-indigenous, along with some African, Middle Eastern, Sephardic Jew, East and South East Asian. There are smaller populations of more pure castizos (though they tend to be recent European arrivals) and pure indigenous (which is difficult to measure in Mexico, because you are considered Native if you are culturally Native, not necessarily just because you look it) - but they are both small pluralities.

We are neither European nor Native alone, as a people we are diverse, multicultural, multiracial, multilingual and even our constitution says so. We are 'la raza cosmica', the cosmic race.
Indeed. Online I see a lot more Mexicans pretending they have no European heritage than the other way around.
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Old 05-03-2015, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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17) Look men all hispanic countries has prejudice with Argentinians, i'm Brazilian theoretically an enemy of Argentina... but look... all I met were very kind and interested people, beautiful women, women and give a laugh every second. I fell very well better more than a few Colombians I met .
In my own day to day, ive met some pretty chill Argentinos here in the states. For whatver reason the internet just attracts the worst of them and it.gives them a bad rep as a racist lot that sees themselves superior to other LA countries.
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Old 05-04-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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10) Cuban: the MOST hated among all. Arrogant, racists, fraudsters, criminals, liars, incredibly biased culture, sectarians, nasty, bad mouthed, uneducated, diclassé, promiscuous, clique culture, evil, witchcraft practice (santeria), ruckus ppl and a large etc of the most despicable people I have ever known in my life. Shocking culture that made of Miami a cockpit, and extension of Cuba. If there is a Cuban hiring people in a company you bet your resume will be end up in the basket. Period. NOthing good for these people. . .
You for got to mention that Cubans are also the most financially successful group of Latinos in the U.S. And the only one so far that boasts a potential U.S. presidential candidate (not counting Ted Cruz).

Your summary of Cubans was a bit more extrme than that of other Latinos. So, did you get refused a job by a Cuban? turned down by a Cubana in a bar? have a curse put on you by a Santero?
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Old 05-05-2015, 10:28 PM
 
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Don't forget the USA has its genesis of Hispanic culture too: the Neomexicanos of northern New Mexico and Southern Colorado. Like the Mexican Race of Spanish and Aztec, the Neomexicano race is a mixture of Spanish and Pueblo. Unlike the Mexicans, the Noemexicanos lived in geographic isolation since colonization that persists to this day. They even have their own version of Spanish.
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Old 05-05-2015, 10:42 PM
 
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This question is basically asking what is a Jew? It is an impossible question to answer. Every Spanish speaking country in the world is completely different from every other spanish speaking country. Even Mexico has a lot of different regions where the people are completely different.
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:30 PM
 
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This question is basically asking what is a Jew? It is an impossible question to answer. Every Spanish speaking country in the world is completely different from every other spanish speaking country. Even Mexico has a lot of different regions where the people are completely different.
Nailed it!
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