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Old 04-07-2017, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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To offer a basic summarization of movements and/or expansions since the creation of this thread (thread was created on April 30th, 2015):

NBA:

- No official movement, but potential talk of expanding the league through expansion by 2 teams is gaining steam. It is believed that Seattle would be a near-lock for one of them, especially since its ownership commitments and arena fiasco are finally being worked out. The second expansion team location remains a mystery for the time being but expect areas like Louisville, Las Vegas, Saint Louis, Kansas City, Richmond, Virginia Beach/Norfolk, Mexico City, Vancouver, Austin, San Diego, and the like to express interest in acquiring an NBA team in the next expansion rounds.

NFL:

- The Rams moved from Saint Louis to Los Angeles.

- The Chargers moved from San Diego to Los Angeles.

- The Raiders have been given confirmation to move from Oakland to Las Vegas, which they will do in 2020 when their stadium in Las Vegas is finished with construction.

MLS:

- The second expansion team given to New York (New York City FC) has come online since the creation of this thread.

- Orlando's first MLS club has also come online since the creation of this thread (Orlando City SC).

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Atlanta (has already come online this season, Atlanta United FC).

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Minneapolis.

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Miami.

- The MLS granted a second expansion team to Los Angeles.

- The MLS also stated that it plans to expand by 4 more before putting a cap on expansion for a while; there have been 12 applicant cities that have submitted bids to acquire 1 of the 4 remaining expansion slots (Detroit, Phoenix, Tampa, Sacramento, San Antonio, San Diego, Raleigh, Saint Louis, Indianapolis, Nashville, Charlotte, and Cincinnati). Only 4 of these will be granted an expansion franchise. The MLS' demands are simple; have an ownership group with credible backing in place, have a stadium plan ready to be implemented, and have the mechanisms to market the sport. Any city that lacks one or all three demands will be ruled out of the tight running. Any city where its expansion bid has too many moving parts or uncertainties revolving the stadium will be ruled out. Two expansion teams will be granted and identified by the end of 2017 and two more will come next year in 2018.

NHL:

- The NHL has granted expansion to Las Vegas (the Las Vegas Golden Knights).

- The NHL is committed to granting expansion to Quebec City as soon as it can, but will wait until the Canadian dollar stabilizes. This is expected to happen within a few years. The arena, ownership, fanbase, support, and demand are obviously there in the market.

MLB:

- MLB is contemplating expansion by two teams, actually it is more than contemplation, the MLB has a firm desire to expand as soon as it is able to by two teams. They are waiting on the Athletics and Rays to get new stadiums in their current markets before they move towards expansion. Montreal is considered a lock to get the Expos back; they have the ownership group, have a plan for a stadium, have the market size, have the history, such and such. The MLB last week stated that Montreal is ready to inherit an expansion team, it has met all the market demands, which is good because that brings it a step closer. The other expansion team remains a mystery for now, but Manfred is enamored by the idea of putting the second expansion team in Mexico City. If not, expect cities like Portland, Austin, San Antonio, Las Vegas, and Charlotte to draw plenty of interest for Team #32.

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Old 04-07-2017, 07:15 PM
 
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I woulda bet that Seattle would have gotten a hockey team way before Las Vegas.

I'm glad Vegas is in the sports business now tho'. Might help push for legalized sports gambling in more states. It's been leaning that way for a while now, but still no tipping point in sight.
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Old 04-07-2017, 07:59 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Facts Kill Rhetoric View Post
To offer a basic summarization of movements and/or expansions since the creation of this thread (thread was created on April 30th, 2015):

NBA:

- No official movement, but potential talk of expanding the league through expansion by 2 teams is gaining steam. It is believed that Seattle would be a near-lock for one of them, especially since its ownership commitments and arena fiasco are finally being worked out. The second expansion team location remains a mystery for the time being but expect areas like Louisville, Las Vegas, Saint Louis, Kansas City, Richmond, Virginia Beach/Norfolk, Mexico City, Vancouver, Austin, San Diego, and the like to express interest in acquiring an NBA team in the next expansion rounds.

NFL:

- The Rams moved from Saint Louis to Los Angeles.

- The Chargers moved from San Diego to Los Angeles.

- The Raiders have been given confirmation to move from Oakland to Las Vegas, which they will do in 2020 when their stadium in Las Vegas is finished with construction.

MLS:

- The second expansion team given to New York (New York City FC) has come online since the creation of this thread.

- Orlando's first MLS club has also come online since the creation of this thread (Orlando City SC).

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Atlanta (has already come online this season, Atlanta United FC).

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Minneapolis.

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Miami.

- The MLS granted a second expansion team to Los Angeles.

- The MLS also stated that it plans to expand by 4 more before putting a cap on expansion for a while; there have been 12 applicant cities that have submitted bids to acquire 1 of the 4 remaining expansion slots (Detroit, Phoenix, Tampa, Sacramento, San Antonio, San Diego, Raleigh, Saint Louis, Indianapolis, Nashville, Charlotte, and Cincinnati). Only 4 of these will be granted an expansion franchise. The MLS' demands are simple; have an ownership group with credible backing in place, have a stadium plan ready to be implemented, and have the mechanisms to market the sport. Any city that lacks one or all three demands will be ruled out of the tight running. Any city where its expansion bid has too many moving parts or uncertainties revolving the stadium will be ruled out. Two expansion teams will be granted and identified by the end of 2017 and two more will come next year in 2018.

NHL:

- The NHL has granted expansion to Las Vegas (the Las Vegas Golden Knights).

- The NHL is committed to granting expansion to Quebec City as soon as it can, but will wait until the Canadian dollar stabilizes. This is expected to happen within a few years. The arena, ownership, fanbase, support, and demand are obviously there in the market.

MLB:

- MLB is contemplating expansion by two teams, actually it is more than contemplation, the MLB has a firm desire to expand as soon as it is able to by two teams. They are waiting on the Athletics and Rays to get new stadiums in their current markets before they move towards expansion. Montreal is considered a lock to get the Expos back; they have the ownership group, have a plan for a stadium, have the market size, have the history, such and such. The MLB last week stated that Montreal is ready to inherit an expansion team, it has met all the market demands, which is good because that brings it a step closer. The other expansion team remains a mystery for now, but Manfred is enamored by the idea of putting the second expansion team in Mexico City. If not, expect cities like Portland, Austin, San Antonio, Las Vegas, and Charlotte to draw plenty of interest for Team #32.
Minnesota's MLS team's inaugural season is this season.
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Old 04-07-2017, 09:05 PM
 
Location: 352
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The other expansion team remains a mystery for now, but Manfred is enamored by the idea of putting the second expansion team in Mexico City. If not, expect cities like Portland, Austin, San Antonio, Las Vegas, and Charlotte to draw plenty of interest for Team #32.
Charlotte would be an interesting location. There is a big 640 mile and 3 state gap between the Braves and Nationals. That's a huge hole.

That said, I'm sure alot of that hole has allegiance to the Braves or Nationals.

But that being said, allegiance didn't stop the Panthers, Hornets, or Hurricanes.

But then that being said, much was just invested in for the Knights.

Anyway, I think MLB should go to Charlotte. It's the largest metro between Atlanta and DC and is only getting bigger at a fast speed. Not sure about VA, but I know the Carolinas would get on board. And people forget the Carolinas is combined over 15 million people.
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Old 04-08-2017, 05:50 AM
 
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To offer a basic summarization of movements and/or expansions since the creation of this thread (thread was created on April 30th, 2015):
- MLB is contemplating expansion by two teams.....expect cities like Portland, Austin, San Antonio, Las Vegas, and Charlotte to draw plenty of interest for Team #32.
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Charlotte would be an interesting location. There is a big 640 mile and 3 state gap between the Braves and Nationals. That's a huge hole.

That said, I'm sure a lot of that hole has allegiance to the Braves or Nationals.

But that being said, allegiance didn't stop the Panthers, Hornets, or Hurricanes.

But then that being said, much was just invested in for the Knights.

Anyway, I think MLB should go to Charlotte. It's the largest metro between Atlanta and DC and is only getting bigger at a fast speed. Not sure about VA, but I know the Carolinas would get on board. And people forget the Carolinas is combined over 15 million people.
Charlotte does make the most sense given location, population and demographics which given the latest franchise adds or moves is probably it's biggest handicap. Not a lot of common sense it appears in major league sports offices other than turning a quick buck. In terms of current allegiance in that 640 mile gap to the Braves or Nationals? Hardly a glimmer in my opinion outside of the Northern Virginia suburbs of DC to the Nationals and NE Georgia to the Braves. The Carolinas alone is quite sufficient on their own and both are among the fastest growing states in the country, so only getting larger. No other option on the potential list offers the initial fan base and lack of nearby allegiances that Charlotte does, so yep...it's probably doomed from the get-go.
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Old 04-08-2017, 08:14 AM
 
Location: VB
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Charlotte does make the most sense given location, population and demographics which given the latest franchise adds or moves is probably it's biggest handicap. Not a lot of common sense it appears in major league sports offices other than turning a quick buck. In terms of current allegiance in that 640 mile gap to the Braves or Nationals? Hardly a glimmer in my opinion outside of the Northern Virginia suburbs of DC to the Nationals and NE Georgia to the Braves. The Carolinas alone is quite sufficient on their own and both are among the fastest growing states in the country, so only getting larger. No other option on the potential list offers the initial fan base and lack of nearby allegiances that Charlotte does, so yep...it's probably doomed from the get-go.
Agreed. Fifteen years ago, Richmond was Braves country: it had Atlanta's AAA team, which was also one of the few teams at that level that shared the parent club's name. The Braves you saw at The Diamond might be in Atlanta the next week, but that's okay; you could still watch them every day on TBS.

But since that time, DC got MLB again, the Richmond Braves left for Gwinnett, and the Giants' AA team moved to RVA from Connecticut. So now in RVA, there's a broad mix of allegiances between the Orioles (which had decades of being the closest MLB team), Nationals, Braves, etc. It seems that the Giants are too far away, geographically and organizationally, to pick up much support from the Flying Squirrels being in Richmond. The local media covers the Nationals and Orioles daily, as well as the Tigers whenever Justin Verlander starts.

Even with a hypothetical expansion team in Charlotte, I'd expect Richmond to still be a (weakly) Nationals/Orioles town. The Redskins dominate the sports media in Richmond, and coverage of the other DC-area sports teams comes along with that.

As for Hampton Roads, there are no strong allegiances in any sport due to the largely transient population (heavily military-affiliated -- people there are from everywhere), and a team 5 hours away in Charlotte (about the same drive as going to Philadelphia) isn't going to change that.
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Old 04-08-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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Charlotte does make the most sense given location, population and demographics which given the latest franchise adds or moves is probably it's biggest handicap. Not a lot of common sense it appears in major league sports offices other than turning a quick buck. In terms of current allegiance in that 640 mile gap to the Braves or Nationals? Hardly a glimmer in my opinion outside of the Northern Virginia suburbs of DC to the Nationals and NE Georgia to the Braves. The Carolinas alone is quite sufficient on their own and both are among the fastest growing states in the country, so only getting larger. No other option on the potential list offers the initial fan base and lack of nearby allegiances that Charlotte does, so yep...it's probably doomed from the get-go.
Im not sure about North Carolina, but South Carolina has a nice sized Braves following.
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Old 04-08-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Montreal/Miami/Toronto
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Originally Posted by Facts Kill Rhetoric View Post
To offer a basic summarization of movements and/or expansions since the creation of this thread (thread was created on April 30th, 2015):

NBA:

- No official movement, but potential talk of expanding the league through expansion by 2 teams is gaining steam. It is believed that Seattle would be a near-lock for one of them, especially since its ownership commitments and arena fiasco are finally being worked out. The second expansion team location remains a mystery for the time being but expect areas like Louisville, Las Vegas, Saint Louis, Kansas City, Richmond, Virginia Beach/Norfolk, Mexico City, Vancouver, Austin, San Diego, and the like to express interest in acquiring an NBA team in the next expansion rounds.

NFL:

- The Rams moved from Saint Louis to Los Angeles.

- The Chargers moved from San Diego to Los Angeles.

- The Raiders have been given confirmation to move from Oakland to Las Vegas, which they will do in 2020 when their stadium in Las Vegas is finished with construction.

MLS:

- The second expansion team given to New York (New York City FC) has come online since the creation of this thread.

- Orlando's first MLS club has also come online since the creation of this thread (Orlando City SC).

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Atlanta (has already come online this season, Atlanta United FC).

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Minneapolis.

- The MLS granted an expansion team to Miami.

- The MLS granted a second expansion team to Los Angeles.

- The MLS also stated that it plans to expand by 4 more before putting a cap on expansion for a while; there have been 12 applicant cities that have submitted bids to acquire 1 of the 4 remaining expansion slots (Detroit, Phoenix, Tampa, Sacramento, San Antonio, San Diego, Raleigh, Saint Louis, Indianapolis, Nashville, Charlotte, and Cincinnati). Only 4 of these will be granted an expansion franchise. The MLS' demands are simple; have an ownership group with credible backing in place, have a stadium plan ready to be implemented, and have the mechanisms to market the sport. Any city that lacks one or all three demands will be ruled out of the tight running. Any city where its expansion bid has too many moving parts or uncertainties revolving the stadium will be ruled out. Two expansion teams will be granted and identified by the end of 2017 and two more will come next year in 2018.

NHL:

- The NHL has granted expansion to Las Vegas (the Las Vegas Golden Knights).

- The NHL is committed to granting expansion to Quebec City as soon as it can, but will wait until the Canadian dollar stabilizes. This is expected to happen within a few years. The arena, ownership, fanbase, support, and demand are obviously there in the market.

MLB:

- MLB is contemplating expansion by two teams, actually it is more than contemplation, the MLB has a firm desire to expand as soon as it is able to by two teams. They are waiting on the Athletics and Rays to get new stadiums in their current markets before they move towards expansion. Montreal is considered a lock to get the Expos back; they have the ownership group, have a plan for a stadium, have the market size, have the history, such and such. The MLB last week stated that Montreal is ready to inherit an expansion team, it has met all the market demands, which is good because that brings it a step closer. The other expansion team remains a mystery for now, but Manfred is enamored by the idea of putting the second expansion team in Mexico City. If not, expect cities like Portland, Austin, San Antonio, Las Vegas, and Charlotte to draw plenty of interest for Team #32.
Montreal should also be considered for NBA. In 2015 the Molson family went to NYC to talk about a possible team, they own the Montreal Canadiens as well. The team is interested in NBA as well. There has also been a huge surge of basketball fans in the city, thanks to the Raptors and their playoff run last season, so now you're seeing more kids and people playing basketball and following the sport in the city. In addition to that, people 25 and under follow Soccer and Basketball much more than Hockey. For MLB the investor's group is apparently ready and it involves 5-6 millionaires/billionaires in Montreal. So MTL can potentially get an MLB team and NBA (only if they consider expansion/relocation) within a 10 year period if all goes well.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:42 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I think the St. Louis region realizes its NFL days are in the rearview mirror. Due to that, revenge is now what they're after. The city of St. Louis, St. Louis County (St. Louis is an independent city, so the two are disconnected political entities), and the Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority have filed suit against Stan Kroenke, the Los Angeles Rams, the NFL, and all of the other NFL clubs.
St. Louis suing NFL over Rams' relocation | NFL | stltoday.com
Suit alleges litany of false statements by Kroenke, Demoff, Goodell | NFL | stltoday.com

ESPN doesn't think the plaintiffs are likely to succeed against the NFL, but a legal analyst of theirs think that they have a good shot against Kroenke, which I imagine is what they are really after.
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What makes the St. Louis case against Rams owner Stan Kroenke stronger?

The lawsuit alleges that, as Kroenke initiated the process that led to the move, both he and his chief operating officer, Kevin Demoff, made a series of false statements to St. Louis authorities and the media. The St. Louis lawsuit describes these statements as "false when made" and asserts that they "were never corrected." The media statements include a Kroenke assertion in April 2010 that "I'm going to attempt do everything that I can to keep the Rams in St. Louis." Demoff, speaking for Kroenke and the Rams, went even further, publicly promising that "our goal is to build a winner in St. Louis not only in 2012, but in 2022, 2032 and beyond." At a later news conference, Demoff stated that Kroenke and the Rams "were proud of our commitment to St. Louis and passionate about building a winner right here." To prove these statements false, lawyers for St. Louis will need to demonstrate that it was Kroenke's plan all along to move the team to L.A.

Part of that effort will include statements, which the lawsuit highlights, made by Demoff around Kroenke's 2014 purchase of the future stadium property in the city of Inglewood. At a season-ticket-holder event that year, Demoff said that the site "was not a piece of land that's any good for a football stadium. The size and the shape aren't good for a football stadium." But according to a January 2016 interview in the Los Angeles Times, Demoff admitted that, at the time of the Inglewood purchase, Kroenke told him that property was "an unbelievable site" for a stadium. Demoff recounted receiving an ecstatic early-morning call in the summer of 2013 from Kroenke, who had been out inspecting the site. Demoff added that the call from Kroenke "was one of the moments in your life you never forget." These potential falsehoods could form the basis of a serious legal action against Kroenke and the Rams. Although they are typical of statements made by team owners seeking a better stadium deal, they will become strong evidence against Kroenke in a trial before a jury of St. Louis citizens.
Why St. Louis could win its lawsuit against Stan Kroenke
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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i could see Portland ME possibly having a United Soccer League (USL) team, or ideally a MLL Major League Lacrosse or NLL National Lacrosse League team. The NLL team could play at cross insurance arena.. the really nice arena that was the former home to the Portland Pirates AHL.
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