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Old 05-07-2015, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Here is an example of what the rest of us are talking about. Notice how she says the words "snap chat".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgwTuNSaU_o
Yes, that's exactly the accent I'm trying to describe. "Snop chot", "bohx", "prohducts", "thot", "a loht". She's immediately recognizable as Californian (or Canadian).
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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California has no accent at least all the times I visited it, the transplants from other countries and the Northeastern stand out because of their accents. They still like to say dude, bro and things like that a lot but thats everywhere now.
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:50 AM
 
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I hear her "snap chat" as [snęp tʃęt], nothing at all unusual. It is definitely NOT [snɔp tʃɔt].

Her pronunciation of "box," "lot," etc. is not specific to California. She has the "cot-caught" merger, in which those two vowels are not distinguished, as a large majority of Westerners (and Canadians) do.

People who pronounce the vowels of cot & caught, Dawn & Don differently are immediately recognizable being from the upper Midwest (Michigan, Illinois, etc.) or from the New York/New Jersey/Maryland area of the East Coast.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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Her vowels are too rounded. There's a happy medium between a miswesterner's "sneeap cheeat" and a Californian's "snop chot". Believe me, I'm not being egocentric about this at all, as I'm keenly aware of my own accent as well.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:36 AM
 
Location: LoS ScAnDaLoUs KiLLa CaLI
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California has no accent at least all the times I visited it, the transplants from other countries and the Northeastern stand out because of their accents. They still like to say dude, bro and things like that a lot but thats everywhere now.
Ehh, I still don't really know what "no accent" means? People not from America would definitely think that people in California at the very least have "American" accents.
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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Of course you don't hear it. You're a native!

The word I hear the accent most in is "that". Everyone in California says "thot". "Whot? I don't tohk like thot."
Never heard that, but then again you're from Minnesota which has one of the most distinct accents in the USA,

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Old 05-07-2015, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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I hear her "snap chat" as [snęp tʃęt], nothing at all unusual. It is definitely NOT [snɔp tʃɔt].
Of course you don't hear it like "snop chot", because to your ears, it sounds normal.

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Her pronunciation of "box," "lot," etc. is not specific to California. She has the "cot-caught" merger, in which those two vowels are not distinguished, as a large majority of Westerners (and Canadians) do.

People who pronounce the vowels of cot & caught, Dawn & Don differently are immediately recognizable being from the upper Midwest (Michigan, Illinois, etc.) or from the New York/New Jersey/Maryland area of the East Coast.
The "cot-caught", "dawn/don" mergers aren't equal in all places they occur. For example, in California, both words sound like "coht" and "dohn". Here in Minnesota, it would sound like "caht" and "dahn" to you.
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Never heard that, but then again you're from Minnesota which has one of the most distinct accents in the USA,

You do realize she's putting on a fake and extremely exaggerated accent, right?
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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Californians definitely have an accent. Just saw my friend from Orange County yesterday and the way she pronounced some words stood out to me, as always. As others have pointed out, I notice the difference in "o" and "a" sounds the most.

I hate the term "General American." IMO there is no such thing.
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Old 05-07-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Of course you don't hear it like "snop chot", because to your ears, it sounds normal.
Well, I do quite frequently talk to English speakers who aren't from California. And I've not noticed that their "short a" /ę/ sounds odd, so the difference, if any, must be very slight. I'm pretty sure I would notice if someone said "snop" for snap. Those are entirely different sounds.

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The "cot-caught", "dawn/don" mergers aren't equal in all places they occur. For example, in California, both words sound like "coht" and "dohn". Here in Minnesota, it would sound like "caht" and "dahn" to you.
I have a hard time deciphering pronunciations when they aren't written in IPA. The sound I use for cot and caught is low and rounded: /ɔ/. You might spell it "aw." The vowel of "cot" in areas without the merger doesn't really exist, not just in California, but in the entire Western US and all of Canada.

The merger is stronger in parts of Minnesota than others, as this map shows: https://calvin.enlov.net/blog/wp-con...cot-caught.png . So you're saying that you have the merger, but you pronounce both "cot" and "caught" with an unrounded vowel?

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