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Old 05-15-2015, 10:58 PM
 
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Oh and here is a Chicago accent

http://youtu.be/DZ2wRSzQ2ws

Compare it to New York

http://youtu.be/xlILInD-JkM

Now compare it to Philly

http://youtu.be/ecNZnjT6kLo

I mean...really is there even a debate on this? Who the f-ck in New York talks like the woman above? Yeah, they talk like that in Jersey up to Trenton and maybe a bit further north but NYC? Seriously.

Now a Cincinnati accent:

http://youtu.be/0AF9nNtzLKc

Another Philly accent for kicks:

http://youtu.be/TXt1fHZIHtk

Oh heck, why not another one! This one showcases Philly accents from all over the place. Included is a twangy Baltimore accent, too.

http://youtu.be/4xM7eVcBHy4

Not really hearing the NY connection much, other than the "aw" sounds which are ubiquitous across the East Coast from Maine to Georgia. Oh, and like NYC, there's a tense-lax split. Oh wait, Cincy has that, too.

 
Old 05-16-2015, 07:30 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Yeah, there are some good arguments here for defining the Midwest.
If at least two of the following four questions are true of your state, then you live in the Midwest:

1. Was all or part of your state once located in the Northwest Territory?

2. Does your state border a river beginning with "Miss-," or have one going through it?

3. Did your state government ultimately align with the North during the Civil War?

4. Does your state have "Dakota" anywhere in its name?

If any of the following four questions are true of your state, then you do not live in the Midwest:

1. Was your state one of the 13 original colonies?

2. Did your state government ultimately align with the South during the Civil War?

3. Is all of your state located west of 100W longitude?

4. Does your state border an ocean?

This should make it all very easy to figure out.
 
Old 05-16-2015, 07:44 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Now a Cincinnati accent:

http://youtu.be/0AF9nNtzLKc
If I encountered people speaking like that, I would just assume they were from around here. New Yorkers, on the other hand, obviously sound way different from us and cannot possibly hide where they're from when they speak.
 
Old 05-16-2015, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Auburn, New York
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If at least two of the following four questions are true of your state, then you live in the Midwest:
1. Was all or part of your state once located in the Northwest Territory?

2. Does your state border a river beginning with "Miss-," or have one going through it?

3. Did your state government ultimately align with the North during the Civil War?

4. Does your state have "Dakota" anywhere in its name?
If any of the following four questions are true of your state, then you do not live in the Midwest:
1. Was your state one of the 13 original colonies?

2. Did your state government ultimately align with the South during the Civil War?

3. Is all of your state located west of 100W longitude?

4. Does your state border an ocean?
This should make it all very easy to figure out.

Actually, by your criteria, Kentucky is in the Midwest, which it's clearly not.
 
Old 05-16-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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Actually, by your criteria, Kentucky is in the Midwest, which it's clearly not.
I find this statement odd because Kansas is considered part of the Midwest and both are on the same latitude. I guess if you're talking socioeconomic conditions then yeah. Kansas has a lot more wealth, more education and less poverty than Kentucky. Which isn't a knock on KY, as I've found that people in the south choose to live the slower, less wealthy lifestyle.
 
Old 05-16-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Actually, by your criteria, Kentucky is in the Midwest, which it's clearly not.
Also, Vermont is in the Midwest.
 
Old 05-16-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Think about it. Ohio is closer to New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey than it is to the quintessential Midwestern "Plains States". Ohio has very Northeastern demographics. It has high concentrations of Italians and Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans are more prominent than other Hispanics. Cleveland is more like Upstate NY than it is like Iowa or Nebraska. Cincinnati has a dialect that sounds a lot like Philadelphian with their "o" sounds and short split A system. In Central Ohio there is t-glottalization like in NYC and Philly. It was also settled by Yankees and at one point a part of it was known as the New Connecticut. Aside from Cincinnati sharing linguistic similarities to Philly, Cleveland shares them with Buffalo and Rochester as well as the inner part of the Northeast as far as Western Mass and Connecticut itself. Youngstown shares linguistics with Pittsburgh. In Dayton, locals call their city "Day-on" with a glottal stop the same way Southern Pennsylvania people would say it and how certain New Yorkers would say it. This shows the cultural tie with the Northeast as they kept that remnant of British English the same way the Northeast did. Cleveland also has that "tough guy" cultural aspect to it like Philly and NYC do.

I think Ohio should reconsider being Midwestern and think more Northeastern.
From a geographically viewpoint, Ohio would probably be considered to be "Northeast" but is considered Midwestern because of historical reasons (because Ohio was not one of the 13 colonies). But despite that Ohio was not of the 13, you could argue that even from a historical viewpoint, Ohio is more like the Northeast then it is like the Plains States. Here is why.

Dates that the original 13 states entered the Union
Delaware - 1787
Pennsylvania - 1787
+ 11 others

Dates that Midwestern States entered the Union:


Ohio - 1803

Indiana - 1816
Illinois - 1818
Missouri - 1821
Michigan - 1837
Iowa - 1846
Wisconsin - 1848
Minnesota - 1858
Kansas - 1861
Nebraska - 1867
North Dakota - 1889
South Dakota - 1889

When looking at these figures, a couple of things struck me. First of all, you can see it took more 86 years from the first state (Ohio) to the last states (the Dakotas) to join the Union. That is how big the Midwest is.

Second, Ohio entered the Union only 16 years after its neighbor, Pennsylvania. Thomas Jefferson was President in 1803. That is how old Ohio is. These early Ohio settlers were primarily Americans from the old colonial states like Pennsylvania and Connecticut and indeed were often people who were born as British Colonials. Clearly these early Ohio settlers were different from the people who generations later settled the Plains.

Anyway the point is that Ohio from a historical viewpoint probably has more in common with Pennsylvania then it does with say Kansas or Minnesota. This is because Ohio is so far EAST, that it was settled relatively early.
 
Old 05-16-2015, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Ohio, USA
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I'll agree with not being placed with New York and New England but there's also too many eastern Midwesterners that want people to think that the eastern Midwest states are farther west than they actually are. "The Great Lakes Region" would've be a prefect name for the Eastern Midwestern states but Pennsylvania and New York also border Great Lakes and Iowa doesn't, the "Mideastern United States" would've been a perfect name for the eastern Midwest states if it wasn't for our country's controversies with the world's Middle East.
 
Old 05-17-2015, 01:14 AM
 
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I'll agree with not being placed with New York and New England but there's also too many eastern Midwesterners that want people to think that the eastern Midwest states are farther west than they actually are. "The Great Lakes Region" would've be a prefect name for the Eastern Midwestern states but Pennsylvania and New York also border Great Lakes and Iowa doesn't, the "Mideastern United States" would've been a perfect name for the eastern Midwest states if it wasn't for our country's controversies with the world's Middle East.
The Great Lakes should be its own region. Culturally, it shares little in common with its Great Plains neighbors. Other than high German American numbers, not much else is similar be it linguistics, climate, or even terrain.
 
Old 05-17-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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The Great Lakes should be its own region. Culturally, it shares little in common with its Great Plains neighbors. Other than high German American numbers, not much else is similar be it linguistics, climate, or even terrain.
The plains states should really be in its own region. Thats said, i jave no problem being listed as midwestern. Although, historically, the great lakes states people have always shunned us.
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