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Old 05-31-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Correction noted in bold (Irish population in 1870).

New York* - 275,984 (20.62%)
Philadelphia - 96,698 (14.34%)
Boston - 56,900 (22.71%)
Chicago - 39,988 (13.37%)
St. Louis - 32,239 (10.37%)
San Francisco - 25,864 (17.30%)
Cincinnati - 18,264 (8.61%)
Jersey City - 17,665 (21.4%)
Baltimore - 15,223 (5.69%)
New Orleans - 14,693 (7.67%)
Pittsburgh - 13,119 (15.24%)
Providence - 12,085 (17.53%)
Cleveland - 9,964 (10.73%)

*Includes Brooklyn

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Old 05-31-2015, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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German population in 1870.

New York - 187,912 (14.24%)
St. Louis - 59,040 (18.99%)
Chicago - 52,316 (17.49%)
Philadelphia - 50,746 (7.52%)
Cincinnati - 49,446 (22.86%)
Baltimore - 35,276 (13.19%)
Milwaukee - 22,600 (31.63%)
Buffalo - 22,249 (18.90%)
Newark - 15,873 (15.10%)
Cleveland - 15,855 (17.07%)
New Orleans - 15,224 (7.95%)
Louisville - 14,380 (14.27%)

Interesting how all of the Coastal Northeastern cities (Boston, NYC and Philly) had a much larger Irish than German population in 1870 (Boston hardly had any Germans). The reverse was true for most Midwestern cities.

https://books.google.com/books?id=dj...201870&f=false
 
Old 05-31-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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So because some of Maryland sits in the Southern dialect territory, it automatically can't be Northeastern. Why don't we call Illinois Northeastern while we are at it. Ohio as Northeast as New York you're really off your rocker now. There are many maps which separate Philadelphia dialect from the Midwest. Anyone with half a brain could spot the difference listen to Jim Cramer speak. Nobody from Cincinnati sounds like that. Maryland is as blue as Pennsylvania by percentage of voters. Most rural areas in states of the lower Northeast tend to be more moderate to red. This argument is wasteful. If you honestly believe Ohio belongs in the Northeast I'm wasting my time here. If Ohio is Northeastern so is the entire Midwest. Ohio has the most in common with Midwestern states. Maryland and Delaware have the most in common with the lower Northeast, or Mid Atlantic.
Show me a map that puts Philly and Baltimore in a region that isn't Midland.

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Old 05-31-2015, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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Show me a map that puts Philly and Baltimore in a region that isn't Midland.
I don't have to. Just go to google and do a search. There are three Midland dialects: each distinct from the other. Atlantic Midland, North Midland, and South Midland. You assume there is only one. Anyone who has heard a Philly or Baltimore dialect can instantly recognize it is not Midwestern and you know it. Go ahead distort the truth again like you always do. I wonder what kind of life you have outside of citydata. Get some friends.

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Old 05-31-2015, 09:47 PM
 
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I don't have to. Just go to google and do a search. There are three Midland dialects: each distinct from the other. Atlantic Midland, North Midland, and South Midland. You assume there is only one. Anyone who has heard a Philly or Baltimore dialect can instantly recognize it is not Midwestern and you know it. Go ahead distort the truth again like you always do. I wonder what kind of life you have outside of citydata. Get some friends.
This is what I was trying to say earlier, but gave up. Though it might be classified as the giant regional accent "Midland" - it's just that: it's giant. People in that whole large area do not sound the same. To group half of NJ, not to mention Philly and other coastal areas like Baltimore, with that general "Midland" shared with Missouri and Iowa is complete BS.
 
Old 05-31-2015, 09:55 PM
 
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I don't have to. Just go to google and do a search. There are three Midland dialects: each distinct from the other. Atlantic Midland, North Midland, and South Midland. You assume there is only one. Anyone who has heard a Philly or Baltimore dialect can instantly recognize it is not Midwestern and you know it. Go ahead distort the truth again like you always do. I wonder what kind of life you have outside of citydata. Get some friends.
When did I say Mid-Atlantic wasn't a category? Similarly, Mid-Atlantic is closer to North/South Midland than it is to any other dialect in the East Coast. That's why Philly is a Midland dialect, New York is Northern, and something like Norfolk is Southern the fact that you don't like that Mid-Atlantic influenced dialects west doesn't make it not so.

Also find it quite ironic that you want to get on some high horse about a life outside of city-data when you're the same guy who keeps re-creating banned accounts just to argue this. Oh, hai Ball freak.
 
Old 05-31-2015, 09:59 PM
 
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This is what I was trying to say earlier, but gave up. Though it might be classified as the giant regional accent "Midland" - it's just that: it's giant. People in that whole large area do not sound the same. To group half of NJ, not to mention Philly and other coastal areas like Baltimore, with that general "Midland" shared with Missouri and Iowa is complete BS.
Except it makes more sense to group them together than it does to group Philly and Baltimore with New York or Boston, which are at least Northern dialects. Face it: Midland dialects not only exist on the East Coast; they actually influenced Midland dialects of places West. Find me someone in NYC or Boston that says their "o" sounds like a Philly/Baltimorean or has any sort of glide deletion in their speech.

Let's keep it simple. Northern dialects: Boston, NYC, Chicago. Midland dialects: Philly, Baltimore, Cincy, Indy. Southern dialects: Norfolk, Charleston, ATL, etc.
 
Old 06-01-2015, 04:23 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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This is what I was trying to say earlier, but gave up. Though it might be classified as the giant regional accent "Midland" - it's just that: it's giant. People in that whole large area do not sound the same. To group half of NJ, not to mention Philly and other coastal areas like Baltimore, with that general "Midland" shared with Missouri and Iowa is complete BS.
Nonsense. Linguists have made the grouping and it's perfectly valid! Here is South Jersey, we definitely sound more like Midwesterners than those in NE NJ or NYC. Fact is, for most who don't have an extremely thick accent, it can be hard to tell us apart. A video was posted earlier in this thread of a band from Cincinnati giving an interview, and their speech would fit this area perfectly. Y'all up there have your own thing going on that we are quite distinct from. Sorry, but it's a pet peeve of mine when people try to insinuate that NJ is more or less monolithic. It couldn't be further from the truth.
 
Old 06-01-2015, 07:32 AM
 
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Nonsense. Linguists have made the grouping and it's perfectly valid! Here is South Jersey, we definitely sound more like Midwesterners than those in NE NJ or NYC. Fact is, for most who don't have an extremely thick accent, it can be hard to tell us apart. A video was posted earlier in this thread of a band from Cincinnati giving an interview, and their speech would fit this area perfectly. Y'all up there have your own thing going on that we are quite distinct from. Sorry, but it's a pet peeve of mine when people try to insinuate that NJ is more or less monolithic. It couldn't be further from the truth.
I wasn't insinuating that at all.
 
Old 06-01-2015, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, Panther Carolina via ATL
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You do know Philly and NYC are usually both associated East Coast accents right? And dont give me no map crap cause everyone knows Philly and NY are both East Coast. So please keep your pre-civil war mentality about the North and South to yourself.

Chicago accents is Midetwern, so is Indy, and Cinci cause they are in Midwestern states.

I am a Ohio native and lived in Baltimore, huge huge, difference between East Coast and Ohio, especially culturally. Ohio is definitely Midwestern and Ohio used to be called the Old Northwest, itsl iterally the first Midwestern state outside the otherwise east coastal states. Like others here have said the history is prime in Midwestern history for Ohio. And if you consider Ohio Northeast youre grouping it in with other East Coast state/city culture.

And tell anyone from the East Coast, from D.C. to Boston that Columbus "should also be Northeastern", and theyll laugh their arse off at you. Cant be serious. But this is the same guy that thinks Baltimore is southern, lmao
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