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Ohio is Midwestern, but not really Midwestern in the vein as Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri, etc. It's Rust Belt-ish Midwestern, Cleveland is the best example. Even Pittsburgh and Buffalo are in the same vein, although Pittsburgh is kinda Appalachia like West Virginia. So no, I don't think Ohio should be considered Northeastern at all. Cities like Cleveland and Cincinnati are not really similar to Philly, Hartford, Newark, Providence, etc.
They're not, which is why I said that Ohio is Northeastern like inland Northeastern states, not Coastal ones
Well, that is a good point. However, I think the interior Northeast as more similar to the Great Lakes than to what some call the "East Coast". In the interior Northeast, linguistics are closer to Great Lakes than they are to NYC or Eastern New England. The interior Northeast also shares "pop" with the Great Lakes, not "soda" with the Coastal people. Pittsburgh and Scranton, as well as Buffalo and I believe Syracuse also say pop. Demographically those cities are just as Northeastern as the Coast, having high Italian, Irish, and Jewish populations.
Only the westernmost part of the interior northeast says "pop", really west of the Appalachians. Syracuse is on the soda side. It's only really western New York that I'd group with Cleveland.
As for demographics, usually only the large coastal cities have big Jewish populations. Here's a post on demographics:
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee
Demographically, Buffalo and Pittsburgh are pretty distinct from Midwestern cities, and still resemble cities on the Coast a bit more. These numbers are for the Italian/Irish/Polish/Jewish population for the 10 largest metros in the Northeast plus a few additional non-NE metros. All of the highest metros are in the Northeast.
Buffalo - 38.61% of MSA (48.57% of NHW population)
Boston - 36.45% of MSA (49.38% of NHW population)
New Haven - 36.07% of MSA (55.09% of NHW population)
Philadelphia - 33.03% of MSA (51.26% of NHW population)
Hartford - 32.86% of MSA (47.21% of NHW population)
New York - 32.26% of MSA (66.94% of NHW population)
Pittsburgh - 31.80% of MSA (36.55% of NHW population)
Worcester - 30.13% of MSA (37.27% of NHW population)
Rochester - 30.12% of MSA (38.57% of NHW population)
Providence - 27.72% of MSA (34.83% of NHW population)
Cleveland - 26.69% of MSA (37.01% of NHW population)
Chicago - 22.81% of MSA (41.78% of NHW population)
Detroit - 21.19% of MSA (31.16% of NHW population)
Baltimore - 19.98% of MSA (33.78% of NHW population)
Washington - 14.25% of MSA (30.42% of NHW population)
Hampton Roads - 13.25% of MSA (23.16% of non-Hispanic Whites)
Richmond - 12.07% of MSA (20.07% of non-Hispanic Whites)
Only the westernmost part of the interior northeast says "pop", really west of the Appalachians. Syracuse is on the soda side. It's only really western New York that I'd group with Cleveland.
I remember taking Amtrak through Ohio. The beginning resembled upstate NY a bit, though with less hills. Further west of Cleveland, it looked very different from New York State. Big farms with little forest and very flat. New York has that in some spots but not as consistently. I felt like I was in another region.
Only the westernmost part of the interior northeast says "pop", really west of the Appalachians. Syracuse is on the soda side. It's only really western New York that I'd group with Cleveland.
Orlando has Puerto Ricans, and New Orleans has Italians neither are in the Northeast.
Should Chicago be in the northeast? Milwaukee? St. Louis? They have more in common with Philly than they do with Lincoln Nebraska, but at the same time Elmira NY probably has more in common with Lincoln than NYC.
Orlando has Puerto Ricans, and New Orleans has Italians neither are in the Northeast.
Should Chicago be in the northeast? Milwaukee? St. Louis? They have more in common with Philly than they do with Lincoln Nebraska, but at the same time Elmira NY probably has more in common with Lincoln than NYC.
Cleveland is pretty similar to Buffalo, but it's also similar to Toledo, Detroit, or any other Great Lakes cities.
I suppose one could make the same argument that's made for Baltimore and DC: Cleveland is soooo close to the Northeast. It is closer to Erie and Pittsburgh than it is to Detroit and Chicago. It is absolutely nothing like Minneapolis, Indianapolis or St. Louis. And it has a White ethnic makeup that's more similar to Providence or Rochester than it is to Chicago or Cincinnati.
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