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Old 05-09-2015, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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That said, I do prefer Montreal to Toronto. I think it has far more unique qualities, richer arts and culture, and is a bit more picturesque. That would be my first choice for a home in Canada.
Boooo lol - well Toronto is a fast growing and transformative city so we'll work hard to convert ya to the right side

Seriously though, Montreal is fantastic city and for an American I can see why it would be more unique than Toronto.. Really Quebec is one of the more unique places in all of North America... I suppose in the same way for an Anglo Canadian like me, New Orleans would be more unique to visit than Seattle or Chicago..

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Minneapolis doesn't feel anything like Toronto.

I also noticed some comments on the cleanliness of Toronto, well to me Toronto felt surprisingly gritty. Grittier than Chicago which in the loop at least looks like well manicured office buildings. In Toronto there were a lot of homeless beggars who appeared to be native-american heritage. There was trash and graffiti in quite a few places.

I would say Tokyo is the cleanest major city in the world. Or pick some similar Asian city.
I think you are right - the flesh and bones of Toronto is a whole lot more gritty than people think - especially if you venture west of the DT core.. People wise, there are a lot of interesting characters in Old Toronto lol...

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Old 05-09-2015, 08:14 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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The Raptors don't have "it".
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:12 AM
 
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As a Torontonian I'm just wondering. Do you think of ot it at all? And of you do (say you live in a border state) what are your perceptions of it? Do you think it compares to New York City of Chicago
Recently I visited Toronto for the first time. It is a nice city but definitely much smaller than NYC.
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Old 05-10-2015, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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It might as well be in the US tbh
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Old 05-10-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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It might as well be in the US tbh
Is that a bad thing? I think if you scratch beneath the surface you'll find differences for sure but yeah, I mean Toronto is geographically very close to many U.S cities and shares much in common with many.. With that said when I'm in Buffalo - the closest major U.S city to Toronto there definately feels like a difference to me. In built form and just the people/demographics. Even in Montreal when you leave the old part and go into the burbs its still very 'Canamerican' - ultimately we do share a lot of history, architecture and general 'feel' - I'm not ashamed of it at all.

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Old 05-11-2015, 09:14 AM
 
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A quick google search will show that to be not true at all.
True. I'm sure Toronto may have more current foreign born from European countries more than Chicago.

I guess what I was trying to get at, is that Chicago has been run and governed and dominated by people of working class white ethnic-Catholic roots.

For example: The Daley dynasty, were Irish Catholics from Bridgeport that grew up around stockyards and corner taverns. I get the sense that any "old-elite" aspect of Toronto may be me more "Anglo" than Chicago.
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Old 05-13-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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As a Torontonian I'm just wondering. Do you think of ot it at all? And of you do (say you live in a border state) what are your perceptions of it? Do you think it compares to New York City of Chicago
You know, I like Toronto. I've been there multiple times on business and for fun. So count me in as a fan of the city.

That being said, I just can't quite put it in the same category as a Chicago, let alone New York. New York really is only comparable to other megacities such as London, Tokyo, and Shanghai. I would instead compare it to cities such as Atlanta and Seattle in terms of size, amenities, etc. Now, in terms of livability, it puts Atlanta to shame, but I'm not so sure about cities such as Seattle.

If you pressed me for a knock on Toronto, I would have to say the generic nature of the architecture. With the exception of the CN Tower, there really seems to be a lack of any iconic buildings in the city skyline. That's the thing that always strikes me during my visits.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:39 AM
 
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I would echo what SDPMiami wrote above. TO seems to have a lot of graffiti(chicken scratch type, not murals) which adds to a gritty/dirty look. Maybe 20 yrs ago it was clean, but now? Their previous mayor was notorious for wanting to get rid of it.

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpr...6/gr.jpg?w=620

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/06/201161-mb.jpg
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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You know, I like Toronto. I've been there multiple times on business and for fun. So count me in as a fan of the city.

That being said, I just can't quite put it in the same category as a Chicago, let alone New York. New York really is only comparable to other megacities such as London, Tokyo, and Shanghai. I would instead compare it to cities such as Atlanta and Seattle in terms of size, amenities, etc. Now, in terms of livability, it puts Atlanta to shame, but I'm not so sure about cities such as Seattle.

If you pressed me for a knock on Toronto, I would have to say the generic nature of the architecture. With the exception of the CN Tower, there really seems to be a lack of any iconic buildings in the city skyline. That's the thing that always strikes me during my visits.
I feel that many of the iconic and interesting building just get lost in the building frenzy that Toronto has been in lately. Because many of the buildings are newer, they sometimes don't have that grand feeling of buildings built in the early 20th century. I don't mind though, as it gives Toronto a more modern skyline, as opposed to one stuck in time.
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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I would echo what SDPMiami wrote above. TO seems to have a lot of graffiti(chicken scratch type, not murals) which adds to a gritty/dirty look. Maybe 20 yrs ago it was clean, but now? Their previous mayor was notorious for wanting to get rid of it.

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpr...6/gr.jpg?w=620

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/06/201161-mb.jpg
If you think Toronto is bad for this, you should go to Montreal, it's covered in graffiti, both the good and bad kinds. Many European cities, especially German ones are also covered in graffiti, way worse than Toronto or Montreal!
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