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Old 05-29-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Speaking of cities that Black people talk about, I was looking at this list the other day for the "35 best summer trips for Black professionals in 2015." These are the cities that have been mentioned so far (including the comments). This is not to say that any city not mentioned is garbage, but it does give us some sense of the cities people are paying the most attention to.

http://www.idontdoclubs.com/2015/03/...ssionals-2015/

NYC (obviously)
North Jersey
Philly
Boston
Martha's Vineyard
DC/Baltimore
Atlanta
Winston-Salem
Chicago
Bay Area
New Orleans
Jacksonville
Los Angeles
Las Vegas
Detroit
Little Rock
Hampton Roads
Houston
Dallas
Orlando
Miami
Memphis
Toronto
Minneapolis
Cincinnati
Charlotte
Indianapolis
Hartford
Sacramento
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Old 05-29-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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Speaking of cities that Black people talk about, I was looking at this list the other day for the "35 best summer trips for Black professionals in 2015." These are the cities that have been mentioned so far (including the comments). This is not to say that any city not mentioned is garbage, but it does give us some sense of the cities people are paying the most attention to.

35 Best Summer Trips for Black Professionals in 2015 - I Don't Do Clubs

NYC (obviously)
North Jersey
Philly
Boston
Martha's Vineyard
DC/Baltimore
Atlanta
Winston-Salem
Chicago
Bay Area
New Orleans
Jacksonville
Los Angeles
Las Vegas
Detroit
Little Rock
Hampton Roads
Houston
Dallas
Orlando
Miami
Memphis
Toronto
Minneapolis
Cincinnati
Charlotte
Indianapolis
Hartford
Sacramento
I'm surprised Charleston or Savannah didn't make the list. Interesting.
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Old 05-29-2015, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Just adding a couple more to the list. Maybe it'll come in handy for future reference.

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Black educational attainment by MSA. The MSAs with the lowest educational attainment among AAs appear to be Youngstown, OH, Scranton, PA, Toledo, OH and Erie, PA. Milwaukee would be the 5th lowest.

New York - 490,575 (22.6%)
Washington - 298,879 (30.9%)
Atlanta - 293,711 (27.1%)
Chicago - 202,853 (20.1%)
Houston - 156,993 (24.2%)
Los Angeles - 143,702 (24.4%)
Dallas - 141,587 (23.1%)
Philadelphia - 139,870 (18.0%)
Miami - 128,699 (17.2%)
Detroit - 101,153 (16.8%)
Baltimore - 96,386 (20.0%)
Charlotte - 58,555 (21.7%)
Memphis - 57,099 (15.9%)
San Francisco - 55,370 (23.1%)
St. Louis - 52,098 (16.7%)
Memphis - 48,250 (14.2%)
Boston - 46,034 (20.9%)
Richmond - 39,644 (17.4%)
New Orleans - 38,249 (15.0%)
Raleigh - 37,979 (26.1%)
Birmingham - 37,220 (18.5%)
Cleveland - 36,634 (14.1%)
Nashville - 36,235 (23.4%)
Columbia - 32,437 (20.7%)
Columbus (OH) - 32,271 (19.8%)
Jackson - 31,536 (19.5%)
Baton Rouge - 31,075 (18.4%)
Jacksonville - 30,158 (17.0%)
Indianapolis - 29,455 (17.6%)
Phoenix - 28,448 (22.7%)
Kansas City - 27,549 (17.9%)
Seattle - 24,505 (20.2%)
Cincinnati - 24,122 (15.8%)
Denver - 23,595 (25.64%)
Greensboro - 23,392 (20.6%)
San Antonio - 22,169 (24.7%)
Las Vegas - 21,323 (16.5%)
San Diego - 21,005 (21.1%)
Austin - 19,154 (24.2%)
Augusta - 18,292 (14.9%)
Pittsburgh - 18,231 (15.9%)
Sacramento - 18,174 (19.4%)
Montgomery - 18,093 (18.9%)
Little Rock - 17,731 (19.0%)
Milwaukee - 17,512 (12.3%)
Charleston - 16,943 (14.7%)
Fayetteville (NC) - 15,590 (19.5%)
Oklahoma City - 15,309 (20.0%)
Hartford - 15,095 (18.7%)
Hunstville - 14,785 (26.4%)
Tallahassee - 14,485 (21.8%)
Rochester - 13,946 (20.0%)
Shreveport - 13,640 (13.3%)
Winston Salem - 13,465 (19.4%)
Louisville - 12,429 (13.5%)
Savannah - 12,295 (17.7%)
New Haven - 12,122 (18.7%)
Greenville (SC) - 12,050 (14.1%)
Buffalo - 12,029 (15.0%)
Mobile - 11,236 (13.1%)
San Jose - 11,216 (35.2%)
Columbus (GA) - 10,271 (13.8%)
Poughkeepsie - 9,374 (22.9%)
Providence - 8,953 (18.6%)
Portland - 8,829 (22.7%)
Omaha - 6,939 (18.2%)
Flint - 6,237 (12.3%)
Pensacola - 6,018 (13.4%)
Chattanooga - 5,916 (13.0%)
Toledo - 5,655 (11.4%)
Knoxville - 5,551 (18.9%)
Stockton - 5,398 (18.5%)
Worcester - 5,339 (25.0%)
Lansing - 5,316 (24.3%)
Harrisburg - 4,875 (14.9%)
Grand Rapids - 4,779 (13.7%)
Tuscon - 4,586 (21.6%)
Springfield (MA) - 4,554 (18.1%)
Alburqueque - 4,391 (30.4%)
Syracuse - 4,096 (14.7%)
Roanoke - 3,358 (13.4%)
Wilmington (NC) - 3,246 (12.9%)
Kalamazoo - 3,062 (18.7%)
Youngstown - 2,998 (8.1%)
Waco - 2,534 (11.1%)
Salt Lake City - 1,643 (18.5%)
Reading - 1,602 (14.5%)
Erie - 1,267 (11.8%)
Olympia - 1,193 (30.1%)
Spokane - 942 (20.1%)
Scranton - 902 (9.5%)

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Old 05-29-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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And its notoriety is undoubtedly a derivative of its massive size. It doesn't matter that Atlanta and Columbia, SC have the same Black percentage. Atlanta has more notoriety because its Black population is about seven times the size of Columbia's. Los Angeles has a Black percentage below the national average and has perhaps more notoriety than anywhere outside of NYC. When it comes to how visible Black populations are on a nationwide basis, size definitely matters. If percentages mattered more, then we'd hear much more about Jackson than we do the Bay Area.

Nobody's really arguing about the demographics. They are what they are and they can be quickly ascertained by looking at Wiki. The crux of my argument is that Milwaukee's Black population is not large enough to garner the national spotlight. Cities with larger Black populations, like Los Angeles, don't face this issue.



I'm not sure where I'd put it. Maybe something like a 6b (Milwaukee was supposed to be 6b not 6c). There are more educated Black people there but the numbers are miniscule. It's hard to rank but it would definitely be lower than most of the Southern metros that have relatively high levels of attainment but boast much larger numbers.
I'll address this then leave it alone. Milwaukee's size doesn't have anything to do with why it doesn't garner the same amount of attention in the national spotlight. Especially when you are referring to Los Angeles, which will get the national spotlight in a general sense. I think the article I posted earlier in the thread has to do with the attention or lack there of in regards to Milwaukee's black community/population, not its size.

Yeah, I knew Lansing's numbers would be lower, but I was thinking in regards to not only its high educational attainment, but its location allows for like folks to interact with a bigger area, which is 10th on the list in terms of numbers with more like folks. On its own, Lansing's Black educational attainment is pretty much up there with the "Black Meccas". I'm familiar with the area and it honestly isn't a bad choice, if you don't mind a smaller metro. So, in a way, I think location can be as important a factor when considering the educational attainment factor.

Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown is similar in this regard, as it is one of the most integrated metros in the country; it has one of, if not the smallest Black-White per capita income gap out of metros with at least a substantial Black population, its Black attainment percentage is slightly higher than NYC's along with being pretty close to the percentages of "Black Meccas" and it has one of the highest Black median household incomes out of the top 100 metros in the country. All of this is while being very close to NYC as well.

Just to put the attainment numbers into perspective, as of 2011, the percentage of Blacks 25 and older with at least a Bachelor's degree or higher is 18.7%. So, that can serve as a barometer. BlackDemographics.com | Educational Attainment

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Old 05-29-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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I'm surprised Charleston or Savannah didn't make the list. Interesting.
Yeah, that is pretty surprising, as you would think that both would be slam dunks in that regard.
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I'll address this then leave it alone. Milwaukee's size doesn't have anything to do with why it doesn't garner the same amount of attention in the national spotlight. Especially when you are referring to Los Angeles, which will get the national spotlight in a general sense. I think the article I posted earlier in the thread has to do with the attention or lack there of in regards to Milwaukee's black community/population, not its size.
Its size is certainly a reason why. You make it seem as if ranking 30th in size is something extraordinary. It isn't. The Black communities that receive a lot of attention are extraordinarily large (Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, etc.). And yes, those cities have such large Black populations partly because they are such large cities. There are only a handful of metros that have a larger Black population than Los Angeles, which makes its size exceptional, even if its percentage isn't.

The other metros that get a lot of "buzz," as Mutiny77 put it, are the ones that are "up and coming," and Milwaukee doesn't fall into that category.

I mean, what would you say is the reason? Do you think that any metro with 250,000 Black people should get an expose in Ebony Magazine? Why would anyone pay attention to Milwaukee over cities like Augusta, Baton Rouge, Columbia or Jackson, which don't really have much "buzz" themselves?
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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I'm surprised Charleston or Savannah didn't make the list. Interesting.
Well, if you look at the numbers I posted you'll see those cities don't have many Black professionals.
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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Well, if you look at the numbers I posted you'll see those cities don't have many Black professionals.
Neither does a lot of places on that list. What does that have to do with those cities as vacation destinations for Blacks though, especially given their rich Black histories?
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Neither does a lot of places on that list. What does that have to do with those cities as vacation destinations for Blacks though, especially given their rich Black histories?
Hartford is the only metro on that list that has fewer Black professionals than Charleston. I suppose it's relevant because most of the list is composed of events (i.e., Essence Festival) as opposed to "this is a nice city to go take tours of historic slave markets." The website is targeted towards younger professionals in their 30s.
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Actually, the Syracuse area has as many Italians as Seattle, but Seattle does have the percentage. That is why I'm saying that it isn't a equal comparison, because Milwaukee has the above average/high city and metro percentage along with the relatively high population in terms of numbers. In that regard, it is actually in the same company as Jacksonville, Baton Rouge, Columbia, Greensboro, Jackson, Columbus, Indianapolis and Cincinnati.

Anyway, my point about mentioning other areas has more to do with Black folks thinking outside of the box in terms of research and using different outlets besides the mainstream outlets. Hence, my earlier statement about going beyond the mainstream, even in terms of Black media. I dare say that Black people and mainstream has a love/hate relationship in this country and considering what has happened to many Black media outlets, I honestly encourage Black folks to look into outlets/forms of research.

As for the numbers, so 400,000 is the "large" Black population criteria. Like Mutiny mentioned, I'd at least consider the Southern metros he mentioned. How did Boston's Black community grow so fast from around 331,000 in 2010 to that current figure? Again, here are the 2010 numbers: BlackDemographics.com | Black City Population Where's Cleveland, Norfolk, Richmond and Richmond, like Mutiny mentioned?

I'll try to contact Mr. DeShay about the numbers.
Boston is tricky because of the diffeteny ancestries and mixes. In 2014 the state of Mass. had either 470,000 blacks or 581,000 depending on how you count it.... In the most exclusionary sense the black percentage of the state is 6.6 in the most inclusive its 2015.I ve found People generally cite 7.1-7.5 percent black for mass. as of 2015.
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