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Old 04-15-2019, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Boston
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That's why i said mainstream will always do that regardless. When hip hop became mainstream in the 80s, every up and coming rapper was trying to imitate the sounds/flow of NY or when it shifted to West Coast then every up and coming was adding abit of that style. It goes in cycles but that's mainstream.
Difference is the south has been the sound for 15+ years
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Chicago metro
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Well...that is what I am saying. People in other regions have picked up on that and now they are doing the same thing. Hip Hop, right now, has the spotlight on the south. Thus, youth in other parts of the country are imitating the southern themes because they think that is what sells and people are basically just copy cats.


When I first saw Chicago drill music on youtube.....I thought the particular group was from the south. Chicago Drill Music is basically southern trap music. Detroit rap often get labeled as sounding like Cali rap. What does Cali rap sound like other than accents? People in Detroit and Cali kind of sound a like....where as people in Chicago sound southern.
Besides accents, I would say the West Coast(specifically Cali) has its own flow and use of beats that is not found among southern rappers(if any that artist is an exception) and other regions in general.

West Coast rapper unique use of instrumentals/beats screams west coast without even knowing where the artist is from.


or rapping styles like this



Aside from rap, hair style wise, it doesn't appear that dreadlocs are popular among black people on the west coast. I can't even think of a popular Cali rapper with dreads, unlike the abundance of south and midwest rappers with that hair style.

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Old 04-15-2019, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Difference is the south has been the sound for 15+ years
1. Outkast gave the heads up in the 90s.
2. Midwest can't hold the audience ball for a long time which still baffles me. Being the number 2 in the Black regional community.
3. The Northeast got a couple heavy hitters ( speaking mainstream wise) that been holding sway. Same with the West.
4. Big Krit - Mt Olympus
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:52 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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in the north i dont think i ever met a white person. mostly they say they are irish, italian, portuguese, ...
True but people outside those communities still grouped them along with Anglo whites. Just like how African Americans are still lumped with Africans despite the cultural differences. I know plenty of Italians and Irish people who classify as white. The only group of Europeans who might shun the term White is Jews but even they acknowledge that there still White according to rest of America. Many European whites didn't fit in with the Angelos in during the immigration boom of the late 1800s-early 1900s so they were divided by their nationality, but once the white-flight movement happen in the suburbs many of these European enclaves began to blend in more with the Angelo Whites. Now you wouldn't besscarly known what nationally a white person is from because White America is so diverse. People often assume white is just Wasp where that only represents only a chunk of the White ecosystem.
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:20 AM
 
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That's why i said mainstream will always do that regardless. When hip hop became mainstream in the 80s, every up and coming rapper was trying to imitate the sounds/flow of NY or when it shifted to West Coast then every up and coming was adding abit of that style. It goes in cycles but that's mainstream.

Yeah...I have to agree. This is what I do not like.....a lot of the regional culture gets left out as people try to emulate the rappers in whatever region is carrying the torch. I noticed this when Detroit rappers started trying to sound like rappers from other places. Detroit always kind of had its own culture...with the gators, max julian, the buffs. It was never a gang-gang culture....but a hustle culture. Now Detroit rappers are claiming gang-gang, bloods and all that. Detroit is really not a gang culture...but a crew culture. Now everyone trying to be bloods and crips.



Detroit and the Bay rap are very similar.....beats, styles, accents, topic....lots of collaboration between the two areas. Mutual respect.



I like all kind of African peoples music...from the Caribbean to the Congo. I like when people tell THEIR STORY from their local area in their music. However, sometime when I see a hip hop video made in Africa, they are acting like, dressing like and talking the same (topic) thing as African Americans. Be yourselves. That would be my advice...but that might not sell.
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Old 04-16-2019, 01:12 PM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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i bought both the perceptionists and lupe fiascos cd's because of the need for speed: most wanted (2005) soundtrack. also had juvenile, chuck dee, t.i., ...
the burnout 3 soundtrack was dope for punk rock.

here is a documentary about the immigrant experience for a boston area teen:
roubbins-cube
another documentary about haitian immigrants in boston.

New Immigrant and Refugee Visions - The Films | Community Supported Film


my dad actually told me stories about when he first came to this country he had to buy documents from someone in order to be able to prove he can work. that person died a few years ago but without him i wouldnt even been born here.
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Old 04-16-2019, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Yeah...I have to agree. This is what I do not like.....a lot of the regional culture gets left out as people try to emulate the rappers in whatever region is carrying the torch. I noticed this when Detroit rappers started trying to sound like rappers from other places. Detroit always kind of had its own culture...with the gators, max julian, the buffs. It was never a gang-gang culture....but a hustle culture. Now Detroit rappers are claiming gang-gang, bloods and all that. Detroit is really not a gang culture...but a crew culture. Now everyone trying to be bloods and crips.



Detroit and the Bay rap are very similar.....beats, styles, accents, topic....lots of collaboration between the two areas. Mutual respect.



I like all kind of African peoples music...from the Caribbean to the Congo. I like when people tell THEIR STORY from their local area in their music. However, sometime when I see a hip hop video made in Africa, they are acting like, dressing like and talking the same (topic) thing as African Americans. Be yourselves. That would be my advice...but that might not sell.
The theme of telling your story generally gets overlook unless you're from a large city or very popular to various degrees.
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Old 04-17-2019, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Boston just had its 9th annual 'Official' Adidas party at Prince Halls Lodge/ William Reed Auditorium in Dorchester. On the radio the djs were talking about how some west indians didn't know what that was. "How do y ou live here this long and not know about that??but you know every bashment bacchanal that goes on at Kay's Oasis" this was said be a Jamerican.

Ed OG was even posting about it. They talked about it th is morning for an hour pretty much.

To which the other DJ said there is some cultural divide between the west indians in the city and the "Yankee blacks"

he said I think there's a big gap in mindset between Roxbury (predominately Yankee) and Mattapan (predominately haitian/Jamaican).
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Old 04-17-2019, 07:20 AM
 
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Hey yall, so I was having a group discussion with some other black friends of mine from school. Were all from different Areas...Chicago, Philadelphia and Boston and we were talking about culture of black people from different places and we got to sorting regions by black culture anymore importantly their TRAITS and the regions NATIONAL PROMINENCE or importance to black people throughout the country basically we came up with this. If your state is not included its because the black population is small or we don't know about it. Please dont be hurt, INFORM US!

We ordered them from top to bottom in terms of influence and prominence. BUT I WOULD LOVE YOUR OPINION TO SHARE WITH THEM. some regions we just dont know a lot about and would like any input if you could!! Let the bickering begin!


1.
The Chesapeake- DE MD VA DC NC *North Carolina is included because of the progressive nature of the state. Its changing, many whites are moving in and making it feel less southern and that impacts the black people as well. Also many black from the north are coming back down to VA and NC. IT also shares identical demographics with VA and is culturally tied to the Hampton Roads area along the coast. Equal emphadis on college basketball and football. Virginia Tech UVA UMD Howard Hampton NC ATnT UNC DUKE George Washington Morgan State. They've all got athletic tradition in both sorts but in college i guess it leans basketball. This is another group of blacks doing pretty welll for themselves and this groups really is culturally strong between Baltimore and Wilmington NC. Probably the most beach going black people ever. Lots of family in NY MA CT...the far north. Mostly black American with some Nigerian influences in MD DC and VA. Very unique softly southern accent. Tend to wear brighter clothes but somehow less flashy than their counterparts to the North. 20-30% black in the metros.


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The Coastal South- SC GA FL These are the true southern black folks.Gullah/Geechee influenced. Fast talking, emphasis on manners, thick accent and almost carribean how 'black' they are. Tend to deviate from mainstream American culture alto. This changes of course in the Atlanta and Miami areas. But yea full of HBCUs in GA and SC. Might have a farm and still be country...had an uncle in sc growing rice peaches and bananas on his farm...wow. 30-50% black in a lot of areas.


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The Tristate- NY NJ PA CT: *PA Includes Philly out to Harrisburg/Chester. The rest of PA (Pittsburgh) goes into the midwest *Our school is in CT and we decided as badly as New Haven dudes want to affiliate with NYC there is just so much New Englandness surrounding it and there is no NYC radio stations and it does actually take some time to get to NYC from there...new haven is not included. Bridgeport Stamford and Fairfield county are.

This region is usually a consistent 15% black or so throughout the metros maybe up to 20%. They are deeply invested in basketball an private education. Mostly black American with influences from Jamaican and Puerto Rican culture. Very outspoken, somewhat militant in their black pride. Big into east coast hip hop and like to travel between NYC and Philly with Jersey being the focal point. They live in the densest areas of all black people and there is alto of competition and emphasis on business money and education. Heavy accents. Like to travel up to Martha Vineyard. Not too much into HBCUs.



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The Midwest- IL MO MI OH IN: Hardest hit by deindustrialization. Used to be a model of middle class black prosperity stability and upward mobility. Very cold, segregated, and the southern portions of all these states except Michigan have a real redneck vibe black must contend with. These states are 12% black on average with 50% black cities on average. They dress really well out here. Furs top hats, all that type of flashy pimp like stuff when they go out. Younger generation influenced by Drill music. Blacks here tend to be very culturally aware as they are in the plain states. They are similar to those in the lain states but give off a more aggressive vibe probably due to their larger numbers. They are also influenced by The Deep South and the Tri State. For better or for worse these are seen as indicative of the black population and our economic state throughout the country.

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The DeepSouth/The Gulf- AL MS. Poverty. The Delta and the blues. Blatant Racism. And hundreds of square miles of 60-70% black areas. That's all us northerners know. Not much fashion or music to be heard of.

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ArkLaTex- TX LA AR *Louisiana is here mainly because of the post-Katrina Ties it was forced to developnwith ymhouston and the northern Louisiana ties to Arkansas which sprat it from the typical gulf states of MS and AL. If anything isbshares Delta ties not Gulf. Big, boisterous and encumbered by tremendous poverty. Outside of Dallas and Houston these blacks seem not to be doing so well. These are all states with substantial black populations although they vary quite a bit. High violent crime states with very country black folks. LA and TX also have their own very distinct forms of modern hip hop (Chopped and Screwed and Bounce music). These seem to be very regional based black populations. We didn't know much about them except my friend from Chicago his family is originally from Arkansas and Mississippi. Country as all hell.

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The West- CA OR WA NV CO AZ Probably the most integrated of the substantial black populations out there. Many of these black people date inter-racially and have an accent where they say all the R's in word heavily. Kind of southern but different accent wise. They like chill music, party rap music and have a very laid back gangster style when they decide to get gangsta. The black youth out there seem to love living in shiny new subdivisions, smoking weed and getting 'ratchet'. Very likely to have Asian or Mexican friends. These states range from 3-8.5% black...being about 5% on average. Car Centric culture. Appears to be a really laid back lifestyle with not too much focus on advancement like in the tri State. Metro areas About 7% black on average. All black American. Fashion wise prefer tank tops cargo shorts graphic tees and brighter colors. WASHINGTON has a huge Basketball culture. huge.

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Southern New England- MA CT RI : *CT Borderline including New Haven, definitely everything North and East of New Haven. Waterbury is included.

This is my home region. These States are 7-11% Black. The Metro areas vary widely from RI to CT. But go from 7% black to 13%. The cities can get up to 45% Black *Brockton, MA/Hartford, CT. The blacks here are 50% immigrants and theyre second generation kids. Many from Cape Verde, Jamaica, Haiti, Brazil, the DR and Nigeria. These foreign blacks tend to create a culture that take elements of traditional New England peppiness and makes them urban. Flashy bold polo shirts and polo hats, clean cut haircuts, North face jackets and occasionally boat shoes. The style is unique and identifiable. The accent also drops all 'R's' and makes most vowel sounds into the 'eh' sound. a/e/i/o/ui....ALL turn into eh. The African Americans found only in CT and MA are very similar to the Tri-state but tend to get along with whites well. Blacks in these areas can be found in extremely dense neighborhoods, the culture includes an emphasis on basketball and community activism. These blacks are lowkey, quite and pretty rude compared to most blacks. Not into state schools or HBCUS. The nexuses of the culture are New Haven and Boston. Pretty Isolated, and heavily carribean influenced, often outnumbered by partially black puerto Ricans and Dominicans 2 or 3 to 1..even more so than in the Tri State. Didnt have significant black populations until the 1990s. Tend to all rent and work almost entirely community oriented jobs or service jobs with an underestimated influence because of the lowkey nature. MANY famous blacks you know are from here,

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Appalachia- TN KY WV

The population varies widely from 3-4% black in WV to 17% black in TN. Tjey live in the heart of Klan land. Usually in very country ghettoes in places like Rand, WV or Memphis Tennessee. They have a pretty noticeable impact on black culture and are known. They have funny accents though, but this changes in Western Tennessee where it gets quite black and more Delta influenced. These folk seem to have a lot of relatives in Indiana Ohio and Michigan. Even Pennsylvania, this share a culture with the midwest more so than with the coastal south and Chesapeake to the east and south. Again we did not know much about these black since we have never been to these states and dont know the area.


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The North- MN WI : 6% Black states BUt very very different. Wisconsin shares much more in common with the plains states and the Mid west due to proximity most likely. The white legislators and populous seems more prejudiced. Maybe its due to Milwaukee resembling the inner cities of Cleveland or Chicago. While Wisconsin is a middle of the road state itis usually ranked one of the wost states for black people to live. Minnesota on the other hand, although historically has a tiny black population is now one of the fastest groing black populations do primarily to East African immigrants. There is also a strong strong liberal bent in this state tht makes it more open to blacks. Culturally there isnt much to say about these guys since they're not in the spot light. I do know that they make some decent musicians on the low. K-Camp, Rico Love-WI, Prince and Cardo-MN. Minnesota has a burgeoning basketball presence on the collegiate and High School level as do most cold weather black people. ...WASHINGTON.

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The Flat Plains- NE KS IA 3-6% black areas. Blacks here are generally forgotten and live in cities or surrounding towns that are 15-25% black. There domains appear to be somewhat run down btu largely suburban. I was told from my Chicago friend these are Black people who were pushed out of the larger and blacker Mid Western states for one reason or the other. There seems to be a high degree of anti black sentiment in these areas amongst whites. Personally I couldnt see myself living out here at all. Needing a car to go everywhere and living under permafrost in the winter. Lots of these blacks have family members that moved out west to California to pursue their dreams, and maybe in Nevada or Arizona right now. They dont seem to be country but their accent is a mix of Mid Western/Upland South with a little bit of that Black California accent. I generally like the black out there as they seem to be racially aware and down to earth. Not living in abject o poverty, not really wealthy, just living.
The highlighted is interesting as the state, which historically has been in the mid single digits and is about 3.5-5%(depending on who you include) now, but varies within the state. There are actually tiny predominantly black communities in the southern portion of the state(Northfork, Kimball and Keystone are a few) and high to predominantly areas in many of the cities(Charleston's West Side is an example). It pretty much fits the country with the southern portion having a having percentage throughout a range of areas, while the northern cities and select other places have visible to average percentages. It also has 2 HBCU's that are state colleges/universities that are now predominantly white in enrollment(WV State and Bluefield State) and had another one in the past in Storer College.

It also has had some prominent or known people that have been born and/or raised there like Booker T. Washington(Malden), Carter G. Woodson(Huntington), Randy Moss(Rand), T.D. Jakes(Smithers/Charleston), Steve Harvey(Welch), Katherine Johnson(White Sulphur Springs), Hal Greer/O.J. Mayo/Patrick Patterson(Huntington), Henry Louis Gates Jr.(Keyser/Piedmont), etc.

Many came up from Alabama and other Southern states, if not from there originally, to work in coal mines/mills of some sort and those that leave tend to go to OH(the bigger cities), Detroit, Charlotte, Pittsburgh, DC, Baltimore or NY(inc. other parts of the state)/NJ.

So, while the percentage isn't high, the population "shows out" more than some may realize or above its size.
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Old 04-17-2019, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I'm not gonna lie.... being in WV as a black person sounds legitimately frightening. But I know thats all stereotypes.
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