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Old 06-27-2019, 06:54 PM
 
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You have it all in LA. Urban, suburban, mixed, run down, elegant, hoods, etc.


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Old 06-27-2019, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Well in NYC there are plenty of friend circles that are mixed. I hang out in bars a lot where there are mixed crowds, and I befriend strangers all the time of different ethnicities.

I think Boston is unusually segregated for a city of its diversity. A lot of NYC can feel like that too (in the less diverse, heavily black neighborhoods) but there are a lot of areas where intermingling happens (these being the hipster/destination neighborhoods).

I also remember the nightlife in Boston being super white.
Yea it is segregated, thatís no secret. Boston nightlife can also be very black but more so Providence really. Iíve never seen white Boston nightlife but I hear about it from people not from Boston all the time. Me being a black native Bostonian simply was never privy too it. I know about Coogans- but I really donít know the names of establishments white folks frequent.. Bostonís real estate is so upscale now they really wonít risk too many black people in an area too often. The club district of downtown can be pretty violent and the mayor and police try to keep things under control.

Providence although much less black, is a more diverse (33% white, 13% black, 43% Latino, 6% Asian, 5% mixed race + last two mayors have been Dominican American), , artistic, laidback and progressive city and a lot of black Bostonians head down there regularly to party. Providence is P O O R and C O R R U P T thus it is much less picky-it just wants people spending money there. Boston can be more...selective. all that being said Iíve never lacked for black nightlife in Boston. Itís literally two cities operating separately, simultaneously and side-by-side. I once brought a white friend from DC (he was born and raised in NWDC) to Boston to my areas Nd then took him to Uber white downtown and he said ďwhoa-dude whatís it feel like to be a visitor in your own city?Ē
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Itís literally two cities operating separately, simultaneously and side-by-side.
This is America. ( music starts to play)
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I think it's hard for me to say that architecture and layout aren't key hallmarks of urbanity because for me, buildings pulled right up to the sidewalk (including residential buildings) is one of the premier key hallmarks of urbanity. Sidewalks with lots of curb cuts for cars make a place inherently less walkable and thus, less urban.
To your bolded, it would be hard for me to say that too, if that was what I thought lol...

A hallmark of urbanity is dense building, whether housing or commercial. It doesn't matter what that building looks like, because again, we can start bringing in examples of international cities that have dense building structure but don't architecturally resemble East Coast architecture. Los Angeles certainly has dense building infrastructure, coupled with densely populated areas...

But I'll add again though, we used to walk everywhere in South LA as kids (as far as we could go, anyway). I lived in the Expo Park area. That neighborhood and surroundings does not lack the urban functionality of many Boston and DC residential neighborhoods...

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I think the board is east coast centric but I disagree I think Bostonís proper and the urban cities surrounding it (Everett Malden Lynn Revere. Cambridge Quincy Somerville) are more urban than LA. Boston is the semester major city after NYC and SF and three cities that border it re denser than Boston, approaching 20ppsm.. but I could see the argument otherwise. A lot of what people think are large single family homes in Boston are 2/3 family section 8apartments DC is pretty damn urban but it drops off kinda quick immediately outside itís borders although some parts within 2-4 miles of DC are pretty urban.

LA can feel more urban than it is due to lack of tree cover..but itís definitely urban
I appreciate your viewpoint and I can respectfully agree to disagree...

Some major factors in my mind:

ēI got off The T at both Lechmere stations and Brigham Circle, and spent a significant time walking around those immediate areas in Boston. I saw nothing there functionally different than getting off the light rail in core LA, from an urban perspective. The architecture was different; the street scene was very familiar...

ēat some point, the size of the city has to factor into urbanity. It does for me. Look at it like this, I can both a)shrink LA down to it's most central 48 square miles, and have a city with a larger population than Boston, with pretty linear urban characteristics, and b)I can expand Boston by tens of square mileage and still come away with a city with a larger population, with fairly linear urbanity. The major difference once more being the architecture and the more established rail system...

For me, at some point it becomes ridiculous to say that a city that can fit inside one section of another city, is more urban than the larger city, when the larger city displays all of the urban qualities of the smaller city within the same area that it is larger than the smaller city. At some point, we're arguing a non issue. But that's just my perspective, I appreciate yours and how you're voicing it. You can put Boston in Central OR South LA, and still have a larger city than Boston, in a section of LA that is at the very least equally urban as Boston, and arguably more....

You can combine Boston and DC drop in Central and South LA, and the same dynamic exists...I noticed this as a child and as an unbiased adult its clarified even more---->people want everything to look like an East Coast major city. That's the only reason people on here champion SF, where the same dynamic exists, SF is basically a smaller version of Central LA, with architecture that delights East Coast purists. And I think people are naturally thrown off by the gigantic geography of LA, added to the fact most posters here have never experienced LA as more than a casual visitor. They haven't lived there, they haven't actually walked or experienced the residential neighborhoods in the core city....
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:02 PM
 
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Hey yall, so I was having a group discussion with some other black friends of mine from school. Were all from different Areas...Chicago, Philadelphia and Boston and we were talking about culture of black people from different places and we got to sorting regions by black culture anymore importantly their TRAITS and the regions NATIONAL PROMINENCE or importance to black people throughout the country basically we came up with this. If your state is not included its because the black population is small or we don't know about it. Please dont be hurt, INFORM US!

We ordered them from top to bottom in terms of influence and prominence. BUT I WOULD LOVE YOUR OPINION TO SHARE WITH THEM. some regions we just dont know a lot about and would like any input if you could!! Let the bickering begin!


1.
The Chesapeake- DE MD VA DC NC *North Carolina is included because of the progressive nature of the state. Its changing, many whites are moving in and making it feel less southern and that impacts the black people as well. Also many black from the north are coming back down to VA and NC. IT also shares identical demographics with VA and is culturally tied to the Hampton Roads area along the coast. Equal emphadis on college basketball and football. Virginia Tech UVA UMD Howard Hampton NC ATnT UNC DUKE George Washington Morgan State. They've all got athletic tradition in both sorts but in college i guess it leans basketball. This is another group of blacks doing pretty welll for themselves and this groups really is culturally strong between Baltimore and Wilmington NC. Probably the most beach going black people ever. Lots of family in NY MA CT...the far north. Mostly black American with some Nigerian influences in MD DC and VA. Very unique softly southern accent. Tend to wear brighter clothes but somehow less flashy than their counterparts to the North. 20-30% black in the metros.


2.
The Coastal South- SC GA FL These are the true southern black folks.Gullah/Geechee influenced. Fast talking, emphasis on manners, thick accent and almost carribean how 'black' they are. Tend to deviate from mainstream American culture alto. This changes of course in the Atlanta and Miami areas. But yea full of HBCUs in GA and SC. Might have a farm and still be country...had an uncle in sc growing rice peaches and bananas on his farm...wow. 30-50% black in a lot of areas.


3.
The Tristate- NY NJ PA CT: *PA Includes Philly out to Harrisburg/Chester. The rest of PA (Pittsburgh) goes into the midwest *Our school is in CT and we decided as badly as New Haven dudes want to affiliate with NYC there is just so much New Englandness surrounding it and there is no NYC radio stations and it does actually take some time to get to NYC from there...new haven is not included. Bridgeport Stamford and Fairfield county are.

This region is usually a consistent 15% black or so throughout the metros maybe up to 20%. They are deeply invested in basketball an private education. Mostly black American with influences from Jamaican and Puerto Rican culture. Very outspoken, somewhat militant in their black pride. Big into east coast hip hop and like to travel between NYC and Philly with Jersey being the focal point. They live in the densest areas of all black people and there is alto of competition and emphasis on business money and education. Heavy accents. Like to travel up to Martha Vineyard. Not too much into HBCUs.



4.
The Midwest- IL MO MI OH IN: Hardest hit by deindustrialization. Used to be a model of middle class black prosperity stability and upward mobility. Very cold, segregated, and the southern portions of all these states except Michigan have a real redneck vibe black must contend with. These states are 12% black on average with 50% black cities on average. They dress really well out here. Furs top hats, all that type of flashy pimp like stuff when they go out. Younger generation influenced by Drill music. Blacks here tend to be very culturally aware as they are in the plain states. They are similar to those in the lain states but give off a more aggressive vibe probably due to their larger numbers. They are also influenced by The Deep South and the Tri State. For better or for worse these are seen as indicative of the black population and our economic state throughout the country.

5.
The DeepSouth/The Gulf- AL MS. Poverty. The Delta and the blues. Blatant Racism. And hundreds of square miles of 60-70% black areas. That's all us northerners know. Not much fashion or music to be heard of.

6.
ArkLaTex- TX LA AR *Louisiana is here mainly because of the post-Katrina Ties it was forced to developnwith ymhouston and the northern Louisiana ties to Arkansas which sprat it from the typical gulf states of MS and AL. If anything isbshares Delta ties not Gulf. Big, boisterous and encumbered by tremendous poverty. Outside of Dallas and Houston these blacks seem not to be doing so well. These are all states with substantial black populations although they vary quite a bit. High violent crime states with very country black folks. LA and TX also have their own very distinct forms of modern hip hop (Chopped and Screwed and Bounce music). These seem to be very regional based black populations. We didn't know much about them except my friend from Chicago his family is originally from Arkansas and Mississippi. Country as all hell.

7.
The West- CA OR WA NV CO AZ Probably the most integrated of the substantial black populations out there. Many of these black people date inter-racially and have an accent where they say all the R's in word heavily. Kind of southern but different accent wise. They like chill music, party rap music and have a very laid back gangster style when they decide to get gangsta. The black youth out there seem to love living in shiny new subdivisions, smoking weed and getting 'ratchet'. Very likely to have Asian or Mexican friends. These states range from 3-8.5% black...being about 5% on average. Car Centric culture. Appears to be a really laid back lifestyle with not too much focus on advancement like in the tri State. Metro areas About 7% black on average. All black American. Fashion wise prefer tank tops cargo shorts graphic tees and brighter colors. WASHINGTON has a huge Basketball culture. huge.

8.
Southern New England- MA CT RI : *CT Borderline including New Haven, definitely everything North and East of New Haven. Waterbury is included.

This is my home region. These States are 7-11% Black. The Metro areas vary widely from RI to CT. But go from 7% black to 13%. The cities can get up to 45% Black *Brockton, MA/Hartford, CT. The blacks here are 50% immigrants and theyre second generation kids. Many from Cape Verde, Jamaica, Haiti, Brazil, the DR and Nigeria. These foreign blacks tend to create a culture that take elements of traditional New England peppiness and makes them urban. Flashy bold polo shirts and polo hats, clean cut haircuts, North face jackets and occasionally boat shoes. The style is unique and identifiable. The accent also drops all 'R's' and makes most vowel sounds into the 'eh' sound. a/e/i/o/ui....ALL turn into eh. The African Americans found only in CT and MA are very similar to the Tri-state but tend to get along with whites well. Blacks in these areas can be found in extremely dense neighborhoods, the culture includes an emphasis on basketball and community activism. These blacks are lowkey, quite and pretty rude compared to most blacks. Not into state schools or HBCUS. The nexuses of the culture are New Haven and Boston. Pretty Isolated, and heavily carribean influenced, often outnumbered by partially black puerto Ricans and Dominicans 2 or 3 to 1..even more so than in the Tri State. Didnt have significant black populations until the 1990s. Tend to all rent and work almost entirely community oriented jobs or service jobs with an underestimated influence because of the lowkey nature. MANY famous blacks you know are from here,

9.
Appalachia- TN KY WV

The population varies widely from 3-4% black in WV to 17% black in TN. Tjey live in the heart of Klan land. Usually in very country ghettoes in places like Rand, WV or Memphis Tennessee. They have a pretty noticeable impact on black culture and are known. They have funny accents though, but this changes in Western Tennessee where it gets quite black and more Delta influenced. These folk seem to have a lot of relatives in Indiana Ohio and Michigan. Even Pennsylvania, this share a culture with the midwest more so than with the coastal south and Chesapeake to the east and south. Again we did not know much about these black since we have never been to these states and dont know the area.


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The North- MN WI : 6% Black states BUt very very different. Wisconsin shares much more in common with the plains states and the Mid west due to proximity most likely. The white legislators and populous seems more prejudiced. Maybe its due to Milwaukee resembling the inner cities of Cleveland or Chicago. While Wisconsin is a middle of the road state itis usually ranked one of the wost states for black people to live. Minnesota on the other hand, although historically has a tiny black population is now one of the fastest groing black populations do primarily to East African immigrants. There is also a strong strong liberal bent in this state tht makes it more open to blacks. Culturally there isnt much to say about these guys since they're not in the spot light. I do know that they make some decent musicians on the low. K-Camp, Rico Love-WI, Prince and Cardo-MN. Minnesota has a burgeoning basketball presence on the collegiate and High School level as do most cold weather black people. ...WASHINGTON.

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The Flat Plains- NE KS IA 3-6% black areas. Blacks here are generally forgotten and live in cities or surrounding towns that are 15-25% black. There domains appear to be somewhat run down btu largely suburban. I was told from my Chicago friend these are Black people who were pushed out of the larger and blacker Mid Western states for one reason or the other. There seems to be a high degree of anti black sentiment in these areas amongst whites. Personally I couldnt see myself living out here at all. Needing a car to go everywhere and living under permafrost in the winter. Lots of these blacks have family members that moved out west to California to pursue their dreams, and maybe in Nevada or Arizona right now. They dont seem to be country but their accent is a mix of Mid Western/Upland South with a little bit of that Black California accent. I generally like the black out there as they seem to be racially aware and down to earth. Not living in abject o poverty, not really wealthy, just living.
For 9, particularly WV, most are in parts of southern WV(McDowell, Fayette, Mercer(Bluefield-25% and has an HBCU), Raleigh(Beckley-25%) Counties and select places like Williamson and to a lesser degree Matewan in Mingo County, in/around Logan in Logan County, etc.), the Charleston area(West Side of the city, Rand, Dunbar, Malden, Institute-has an HBCU, South Charleston, St. Albans), Huntington and the cities in the northern portion of the state in the northern(Wheeling and Weirton) and eastern(Martinsburg, Charles Town, Ranson, Keyser, etc.) and NC WV(Morgantown, Fairmont and Clarksburg), among a few others.

Some past sports illustrations:
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:22 PM
 
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For 9, particularly WV, most are in parts of southern WV(McDowell, Fayette, Mercer(Bluefield-25% and has an HBCU), Raleigh(Beckley-25%) Counties and select places like Williamson and to a lesser degree Matewan in Mingo County, in/around Logan in Logan County, etc.), the Charleston area(West Side of the city, Rand, Dunbar, Malden, Institute-has an HBCU, South Charleston, St. Albans), Huntington and the cities in the northern portion of the state in the northern(Wheeling and Weirton) and eastern(Martinsburg, Charles Town, Ranson, Keyser, etc.) and NC WV(Morgantown, Fairmont and Clarksburg), among a few others.

Some past sports illustrations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJQt...&feature=share


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNek...&feature=share


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acKY...&feature=share


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVjv...&feature=share


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfGq...&feature=share


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uto...&feature=share


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9L3...&feature=share
More:
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Old 06-28-2019, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Boston
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One big thing I found I thought illustrated how to separate black and white MA is...

"Massachusetts may have the lowest firearm death rate in the U.S., but gun violence is the leading cause of death for those in Massachusetts between 17 and 24 years old.

Of the 245 firearm deaths in Massachusetts in 2016, more than a third were homicides. 55% of all victims of firearm-related injuries are between the ages of 15 and 24, and black youths in the same age range had 32 times the rate of firearm assault-related hospitalizations compared to white youths."



Read more: Firearm violence targeted - Lowell Sun Online
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Old 06-28-2019, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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[quote=BostonBornMassMade;55541752]One big thing I found I thought illustrated how to separate black and white MA is...

"Massachusetts may have the lowest firearm death rate in the U.S., but gun violence is the leading cause of death for those in Massachusetts between 17 and 24 years old.

Of the 245 firearm deaths in Massachusetts in 2016, more than a third were homicides. 55% of all victims of firearm-related injuries are between the ages of 15 and 24, and black youths in the same age range had 32 times the rate of firearm assault-related hospitalizations compared to white youths."

It's the same type of illustration nationwide for the most part and I just realized the stark contrast between our states in regard to firearm death rate ( Sipp have 2nd highest).
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Old 06-29-2019, 04:08 PM
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Location: Miami
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Was trying to find out for the longest why the Deep South was 5th and 6th. lol

Shouldíve been #1 on that list.
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Old 06-29-2019, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Was trying to find out for the longest why the Deep South was 5th and 6th. lol

Shouldíve been #1 on that list.
I think the Chesapeake should be number 1 and I can understand the south Atlantic as number 2. But any state or regio. That has Louisiana and Mississippi should be top 3 and 4 imo. Even over the Midwest.
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