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Old 07-13-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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David Ortiz is obviously black. But I think it's a stretch to say that the average Dominican and especially Puerto Rican is black. That's why African-Americans refer to them as "Spanish" as a separate entity rather than lumping them in with black people like they do with Jamaicans and Haitians. And why the South Bronx is referred to as "black and Latino" instead of just Latino. I have noticed some black people take a Paul Mooney joke too seriouslty though, and sometimes even go as far as to say all Latinos are black (even the ones with no visible black ancestry).
according to their census, only about 15% are european spanish. above 75% of them are black or moreno.
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Old 07-13-2019, 01:20 PM
 
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Depends on what part of the island. I wouldn’t say they’re all black but most Dominicans look like light skin black people to me. They’ve got a spectate culture and so on , but it seems to coexist with urban black culture, older Dominicans is a different story. But if you told me Jayson Tatum was Dominicans I’d say “yea makes sense”. Puerto Rican is different. There’s differences but just like in a social setting. I live in Baltimore with Central Americans now it’s nothin like when I lived in Boston with Dominicans. Totally different social dynamic, different music, different culture, different phenotypes, different style of dress.

Like on Desus and Mero idk what they’re ethnicities are but I know they’re some type of Latino, or at least one of them is but I view them as black due to the dress, language, mannerisms, and their cultural familiarities.
I think in New York, half black/half white people aren't THAT common, so they're often assumed to be Dominican rather than in the South where it would probably the the other way around. It's complicated but I don't personally consider the average Dominican or Puerto Rican to be black, and I feel like that's how society broadly feels or else they'd be viewed like Jamaicans (not African-American but still black).

And yes many if not most Dominicans and Puerto Ricans in the states talk and dress in a way that is explicitly inspired by black people, but then again quite a few lower income Chicanos, Native Americans, and Southeast Asians do that too.
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Old 07-13-2019, 01:21 PM
 
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according to their census, only about 15% are european spanish. above 75% of them are black or moreno.
A large chunk of them are mixed, though. If A-Rod walks down the street in the US, nobody is gonna think "that's a brother!".
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Old 07-13-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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I think in New York, half black/half white people aren't THAT common, so they're often assumed to be Dominican rather than in the South where it would probably the the other way around. It's complicated but I don't personally consider the average Dominican or Puerto Rican to be black, and I feel like that's how society broadly feels or else they'd be viewed like Jamaicans (not African-American but still black).

And yes many if not most Dominicans and Puerto Ricans in the states talk and dress in a way that is explicitly inspired by black people, but then again quite a few lower income Chicanos, Native Americans, and Southeast Asians do that too.
this is weird (i am only being half obtuse): the ones that are black i consider black. the ones that are taíno, caucasion or, rarely, asian, i dont.
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Old 07-13-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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this is weird (i am only being half obtuse): the ones that are black i consider black. the ones that are taíno, caucasion or, rarely, asian, i dont.
Same
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Old 07-13-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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A large chunk of them are mixed, though. If A-Rod walks down the street in the US, nobody is gonna think "that's a brother!".
A-Rods not black but Manny Ramirez is. It’s mostly about the hair tbh.
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Old 07-13-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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Depends on what part of the island. I wouldn’t say they’re all black but most Dominicans look like light skin black people to me. They’ve got a spectate culture and so on , but it seems to coexist with urban black culture, older Dominicans is a different story. But if you told me Jayson Tatum was Dominicans I’d say “yea makes sense”. Puerto Rican is different. There’s differences but just like in a social setting. I live in Baltimore with Central Americans now it’s nothin like when I lived in Boston with Dominicans. Totally different social dynamic, different music, different culture, different phenotypes, different style of dress.

Like on Desus and Mero idk what they’re ethnicities are but I know they’re some type of Latino, or at least one of them is but I view them as black due to the dress, language, mannerisms, and their cultural familiarities.
Im going to have to disagree, you are acting as if Dominicans are the only predominately racially-Mulatto Latino group. Yes, Dominicans have slightly more African DNA than Ricans but not much barely noticeable, Puerto Ricans are definetly of Mulatto white/black mix with a touch of Taino. Theres many parts of PR (most of the coastal east) where majority of the people look stereotypically Dominican (i guess darker mulatto) and many parts of DR (especially northwest Cibao region) where most of the people look stereotypically Puerto Rican lighter mulatto triracial.
I would say its harder to tell a Dominican apart from Puerto Rican than a Dominican and any other group including Black American. The only group that comes close is Cape Verdeans and mixed race Cubans
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Old 07-13-2019, 03:19 PM
 
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this is weird (i am only being half obtuse): the ones that are black i consider black. the ones that are taíno, caucasion or, rarely, asian, i dont.
Most are black mixed but they don't register as "black" to me unless they're at least as black looking as Obama.

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A-Rods not black but Manny Ramirez is. It’s mostly about the hair tbh.
Yeah it's more about hair texture and nose type than skin color.
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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I don't view any specific subregion of having more prominence within the Black mainstream narrative over the others due to size differences & a plethora of overlook themes from local to regional level.
The regional differences of geography and migration shaped the Black community today and that will be my main focus. There's a ton of history in each sub region so just touching upon themes that pops in my mind. I'm using leagues to describe the size of Black business districts.

1. Southeast- Ga,NC,SC, FL,VA,WVA
-The historic transatlantic slave trade entrance ports/interregional slave trade. - Gullah/Geechie language/culture. - Historic Black business districts with West VA being a part of the minor league tier & the rest being major to moderate. - High ties to Northeast Blacks with moderate ties to Midwest Blacks and low ties to West Blacks. - Accustom to floods/hurricanes along coastal communities, straightline winds/tornadoes interior communities, snowyish winters for northern/mountainous communities. - Gospel music origins in the Georgia/Carolinas/Virginia area./ Appalachian banjo & string music in WV/VA/NC. Variety of Hip Hop influence/ Trap music COINED not created. - Diverse influence of Carribeans in FL/ATL metro, African & Hispanic neighbors in the major metros.

2. Mid-South - MS ( My State),AL,TN,KY
- Historic sharecroppers, moonshiners, gamblers, & bootleggers. - Historic Black business districts are major leagues & moderate to minor leagues spreadout. - Birthplace of Blues, Soul, Rock, Bluegrass, & Horrorcore Rap/Crunk music. - Soul Food centric/ BBQ styles. - Large number of Black politicians. - Diverse neighbors are small generally. - Tailgating. - Moderate to high home ownership rate. - Hot humid summers, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, MOSQUITOS. - High ties to Midwest Blacks, Moderate ties to West Coast Blacks, Low ties to Northeast Blacks.

3. Southwest- LA,AR,OK,TX
- Historic area of cowboys & ranchers for TX/OK. - New Orleans transatlantic slave port/ Creole culture. - Historic Black business districts definitely major & moderate league tier with decent number of minor leagues. - Mexican , Native, Asian, French Creole neighbors in the major metros. - Accustom to floods/hurricanes in gulf coast communities, tornadoes/straight line winds within some interior communities, dust storms & dry arid conditions in certain locations. - Jazz music. Bounce music.Screwed Up music ( screwhead lol) - Cajun cuisine. - BBQ styles. -High ties to Western Blacks, Moderate ties to Midwest Blacks, Low ties to Northeast Blacks.

4. Great Lakes Midwest - IL,WI,IN,OH,MI
- Historic Black business districts moderate to major leagues with Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee , Indianapolis & 3 C's of Ohio dominate. - Historic Black multi media outlets. - High ties to Mid-South & Southeast, Moderate ties to Southwest, Low ties to both coasts. - Mild to heavy winters/blizzards, mild straight line winds, occasionally tornadoes & floods. - Diverse neighbors in most metros. - House/Bop/Drill music, Each metro offers a style to Midwest hip hop, fast spitters, Lupe Fiasco ( bar none, ivy league elite to the elite of the elites lyricist)

5. Great Plains Midwest- MN,ND,SD,IO,MO,KS,NE
-Historic Black business districts is major league in St.Louis & Minneapolis , moderate on half & minor on other half. - Ragtime & Swing music, Unique styles akin to Midwest hip hop. - High ties to Mid-South & Southwest, Moderate ties to Southeast, Low ties to both coasts. - Winters, Floods, Straight line winds, serious tornadoes. - Diverse neighbors in a few metros.

6. Mid-Atlantic - MD, DE, DC
- Historic transatlantic slave trade entrance port along the Chesapeake Bay portion/ interregional slave trade. - Historic Black multi media outlets. - Historic Black business districts on major league with Wilmington metro being the outlier minor. - Largest concentrated Black middle class+ area. - Federal District infrastructure development ( enough said). - Hip Hop style similar to East Coast. Go Go music ( still haven't heard any of it). - Diverse neighbors galore in D.C, modest in Bmore & other areas. - Floods/Hurricanes, Mild to Heavy Winters. - High ties to Northeast Blacks, low to rest of regions.

7. Tri-State Northeast - NJ, PA, NY
- Historic Black multi media outlets galore. - Historic Black business districts major league galore style. - Hip Hop birthplace ( enough said). - Diverse neighbors galore. - Floods, Hurricanes, Blizzards, Master Splinter Rats. - Most urban dense Black communities. - High ties to Southeast, low ties to every other regions.

8. New England- CT, RI, MA, NH, VT, ME
- BostonBornMassMade covered. - Historic Black business districts major league for Boston & few other metros in southern half, minor league in northern half. - High ties to Southeast, Low ties to all other regions.

9. Mountain West - MT, CO, WY, ID, UT
- Historic Black business districts minor leagues centric. - Cowboys & Ranchers history. - The least mainstream exposure. - One of the smallest portions of the community. - Mild to heavy winters, Dry summers. - High ties to Southwest, low ties everywhere else.

10. Desert West- NM, AZ, NV
- Historic Black business districts are minor league centric. - Similar in regards to Mountain West section but with casinos. - Historic Black Strip. - Dust storms. - Mexican & Natives neighbors. - lacking in mainstream culture exposure. - High ties to Southwest, Low ties everywhere else.

11. Pacific West- OR, WA,AK,HI,CA
- Historic Black business districts major leagues primary in CA, moderate leagues in WA & OR, minor league in others. - CA dominates multi media outlets galore. - Diverse neighbors in most metros. - Hardcore Rap/ Bay Area Rap. - lowrider centric. - Significant Black middle class sections. - Floods/Hurricanes, Earthquake centric, Forest fires. - High ties to Southwest, Moderate ties to Mid-South/Southeast, low ties to everywhere else.
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Old 07-14-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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David Ortiz is obviously black. But I think it's a stretch to say that the average Dominican and especially Puerto Rican is black. That's why African-Americans refer to them as "Spanish" as a separate entity rather than lumping them in with black people like they do with Jamaicans and Haitians. ...
i understand the premise as categorizing them as different since they have some different cultures and customs; but, to me, calling a dominican spanish is like saying michael jordan is english.
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