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Old 07-22-2015, 06:55 PM
 
Location: IN
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Wisconsin is definitely more forested than the LP, about 90% of Michigan's population lives within 130 miles of the southern border. That leaves a good 160-200 miles of mostly forested area which is pretty substantial. If the perception is that the lower peninsula is mostly prarie it's just not the case.
The Northwoods in MI begins between Houghton Lake and Grayling. Hartwick Pines Forest is a good benchmark that delineates the entrance of the mostly coniferous forest to the north from the more mixed forest a bit to the south. To the east of that area is very backwoods region that is Northwoods in character overall, places like Atlanta within Montmorency County- yes it is quite isolated and I'm sure not many people have been there.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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It cracks me up that large companies are fleeing "high tax states" where if they were in fact paying their actual fair share of taxes, the tax rate wouldn't be so high for individuals. So instead individuals are streaming into states lacking in that high quality of life to save a few bucks (relatively speaking) in exchange for less infrastructure, lower quality public schools and often less desirable surroundings. I guess that'll show them that you're not paying a higher tax rate!
Yeah, what's wrong with them? Why wouldn't they want to pick up the check for unsustainable entitlements for Mexico's entire underclass? Progressives like us are so much smarter than that!
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Old 07-25-2015, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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New Mexico. When I drove through there I was shocked at how empty the place was. I saw the occasional abandoned home here and there, and that is it. It was all so desolate and it just seemed like the whole massive state was fading away. Maybe all of those plains states are like that. I am from Florida, a place where at least at face value everything seems thriving and populated with lots of energy. Driving across the plains made me realize how empty a lot of our country is, and from my understanding those parts are only becoming more empty.

I also think those freezing states up north with nothing to do like Maine, New Hampshire, Michigan have a lot to be worried about.
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Old 07-25-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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New Mexico. When I drove through there I was shocked at how empty the place was. I saw the occasional abandoned home here and there, and that is it. It was all so desolate and it just seemed like the whole massive state was fading away. Maybe all of those plains states are like that. I am from Florida, a place where at least at face value everything seems thriving and populated with lots of energy. Driving across the plains made me realize how empty a lot of our country is, and from my understanding those parts are only becoming more empty.

I also think those freezing states up north with nothing to do like Maine, New Hampshire, Michigan have a lot to be worried about.
I wouldn't say that Michigan doesn't have anything to do.....
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Old 07-25-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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any state where manufacturing was king is probably in bad shape unless they have diversified their economy pretty quickly. I noticed baltimore on this list and I think that is probably correct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrink..._United_States
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Old 07-25-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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any state where manufacturing was king is probably in bad shape unless they have diversified their economy pretty quickly. I noticed baltimore on this list and I think that is probably correct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrink..._United_States
The problem I have with that list is that it is essentially older cities that can't annex land/unincorporated areas like those that are generally growing.
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Old 07-25-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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I also dont think growth is necessarily desirable if it isnt smart growth, sprawl and traffic can ruin the quality of life pretty quickly.
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Old 07-25-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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The problem I have with that list is that it is essentially older cities that can't annex land/unincorporated areas like those that are generally growing.
That's not really true...MANY cities that can't annex are still growing. And several on that list of shrinking cities that was referenced are now growing, like Boston, Minneapolis, New Orleans, and others. They were historically shrinking cities, as many were, but are no longer that way. Atlanta was shrinking in the past too but turned it around in 1990.

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Old 07-25-2015, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The problem I have with that list is that it is essentially older cities that can't annex land/unincorporated areas like those that are generally growing.
Yeah, that's not true.
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