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Old 07-17-2015, 10:28 PM
 
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At first I thought that Tarheel was joking when he listed all the states (except for the Dakotas ) but the more I think of it the politics of DC, from BOTH parties, really is damaging this country. So he is very right.

But to answer the OPs question, the states I worry the most about in the long term are the "tax em to they leave and move away" states. Mainly some states in the Northeast, the Great Lakes and out in California. These states all have good qualities but it seems more and more people are asking if the high cost of living is worth it anymore.
Education is the future of the country, and high taxes are needed to attract the best for teaching and provide good schools for every child in the state. I am more worried about the freeloader states that dont invest properly in education and hope people wont notice.
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Old 07-17-2015, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Just outside of McDonough, Georgia
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Nevada highest unemployment in the country, Michigan and Ohio hate to pick on them states with many dying industries but they have a lot of hard working blue collar folks its horrible, Rhode Island high unemployment and bad economy and high cost of living, Georgia same with Rhode Island, Arizona/Florida although not for wealthy retirees but for young people needing high paying and California(mostly because of state budget concerns) still a great state and a leader in the US for a lot of corporations like Apple and tech companies.
I don't think GA has a "high cost of living" compared to Rhode Island. Ditto for the economy.

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Old 07-18-2015, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Places like Michigan and Ohio will have a bleak outlook in the near future IMO. Dependence on the unreliable auto industry, political issues and poor weather will keep them in the shape they are in UNTIL the water issue out west hits the fan. Michigan especially will likely have a massive reversal of fortune when that mess comes to a head. It may boom like it did back in the early twentieth century, but instead of folks moving from the south it will be from the west. Cities like Phoenix were never a good idea in an area that does not have the water to sustain them.
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Old 07-18-2015, 08:19 PM
 
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Places like Michigan and Ohio will have a bleak outlook in the near future IMO. Dependence on the unreliable auto industry, political issues and poor weather will keep them in the shape they are in UNTIL the water issue out west hits the fan. Michigan especially will likely have a massive reversal of fortune when that mess comes to a head. It may boom like it did back in the early twentieth century, but instead of folks moving from the south it will be from the west. Cities like Phoenix were never a good idea in an area that does not have the water to sustain them.
How much water do you think is needed to sustain a city like PHX?
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Old 07-18-2015, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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How much water do you think is needed to sustain a city like PHX?

I will admit that I have no idea how much water they need. However they already ration the water in places in the Southwest. There are plenty of reports about the future water shortage, current drought in California etc. If massive desalination plants were constructed maybe they would be ok. Supposedly that is expensive, too expensive. The land out there was never meant to support that much human population, yet the growth goes on. It does look like a self inflicted disaster in the making. It is a reasonable assumption that if this occurs the water world states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota would become some of the most popular places in America, inspite of what the nation currently thinks of those places. The cold weather will seem like a minor irritation compared to the water starved situation that may develop in the Southwest.
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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Places like Michigan and Ohio will have a bleak outlook in the near future IMO. Dependence on the unreliable auto industry, political issues and poor weather will keep them in the shape they are in UNTIL the water issue out west hits the fan. Michigan especially will likely have a massive reversal of fortune when that mess comes to a head. It may boom like it did back in the early twentieth century, but instead of folks moving from the south it will be from the west. Cities like Phoenix were never a good idea in an area that does not have the water to sustain them.
It really depends on what industry you are in when it comes to Michigan. If you are a low paid blue collar worker, then life doesn't seem so bright. If you are a high paid white collar worker, then the future looks bright. My husband works in an industry with negative unemployment - they can't find enough people to fill the slots available. He's always getting recruited by some company or firm because of his skill set.

As for political issues - what exactly are you referring to? We are doing just fine - except that nobody can figure out how to pay for getting the roads repaired.

As for the weather - it's awesome here. There's something for everyone. If you like snow, we get it. If you like sun and heat, we get that too. Sometimes, we get it all in one day....it just works out that way sometimes.

The thing that people don't realize about the water issue is that it's not just Michigan that has to sign off on diverting water to drier areas, but all the States in the region (and Canada) have a say in what happens with Great Lakes water. It's not like one state can just decide to give water away and nobody else will care.

Detroit's starting to boom again - a lot of the chains are building there again and a lot of companies are moving their jobs to the City (or planning for it in the near future).

Grand Rapids has been booming for awhile now.

The future's looking pretty bright here. The downsized autos are turning a profit and have slowly been adding production shifts as demand rises.

Things really aren't as bleak as they were in the '00's. That was just a nasty time to be in Michigan. Anyone who was here during that time knows that things have improved a lot since then and there's no sign of decreased momentum.
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:48 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Education is the future of the country, and high taxes are needed to attract the best for teaching and provide good schools for every child in the state. I am more worried about the freeloader states that dont invest properly in education and hope people wont notice.
Not sure what state you are from but in New York we have some of the highest taxes in the nation, much of it going to the schools. For many schools the results do not necessarily show much for the money spent. That is because school results have more to do with good parenting then the money thrown at them.

In any case, high school taxes in parts of the Northeast is part of the reason so many young people are leaving places like Long Island, Connecticut and New Jersey. What is the point in having expensive school taxes if young people cannot afford the taxes and live in their home community after they graduate?
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Old 07-19-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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I will admit that I have no idea how much water they need. However they already ration the water in places in the Southwest. There are plenty of reports about the future water shortage, current drought in California etc. If massive desalination plants were constructed maybe they would be ok. Supposedly that is expensive, too expensive. The land out there was never meant to support that much human population, yet the growth goes on. It does look like a self inflicted disaster in the making. It is a reasonable assumption that if this occurs the water world states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota would become some of the most popular places in America, inspite of what the nation currently thinks of those places. The cold weather will seem like a minor irritation compared to the water starved situation that may develop in the Southwest.
Agriculture and then residential landscaping are the big water consumers. People don't drink that much water. I don't know whether people in Phoenix will move to the Midwest in order to keep their lawns. Or whether people in Michigan will switch to canned vegetables rather than pay more for imported or greenhouse-grown lettuces. Maybe.
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Old 07-19-2015, 05:33 PM
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Location: West Michigan
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Things really aren't as bleak as they were in the '00's. That was just a nasty time to be in Michigan. Anyone who was here during that time knows that things have improved a lot since then and there's no sign of decreased momentum.
This is very true, for most of the state. While a few cities are still in decline cities like Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, Ann Arbor and Lansing are booming, with expanding economies and an influx of new people. Grand Rapids is gaining jobs faster than any metro of it's size, and also has the lowest rental vacancy rate of any metro of it's size, other Michigan cities are following suit. The future is bright for many Michigan cities, contrary to what many people think when they think of Michigan.
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Old 07-19-2015, 06:00 PM
 
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Agriculture and then residential landscaping are the big water consumers. People don't drink that much water. I don't know whether people in Phoenix will move to the Midwest in order to keep their lawns. Or whether people in Michigan will switch to canned vegetables rather than pay more for imported or greenhouse-grown lettuces. Maybe.
You are minimizing this....greatly. Do some research on the Internet, before you respond to this subject...it's a far greater concern than you seem to realize. Here's just one article:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...-one/24011053/
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