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Old 10-07-2015, 07:43 PM
 
Location: IN
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I wish there was a way to convince some older residents of certain counties in PA to.. ya know.. move to Wyoming or Florida. . PA still has the fourth fastest growing population of 65-plus. It is a strangle hold on the states finances. Oh yeah, guess what else? Social Security and Pensions isn't taxed at the state level. We give people no reason to leave.. Don't worry. The old people elect a huge majority that looks to education as the first thing to cut. Its disgusting. In 4 years under the last governor, $1 billion dollars of money that went straight to schools was either cut from the budget or reallocated to pay for the ballooning pension payments.
That does not surprise me, unfortunately. In the case of PA it really has to do with the lingering impacts of the collapse of the steel industry and ancillary economic support employers in the western portion of the state in the early 1980s. A large number of younger people and families left the region and the state for job prospects elsewhere. The current demographics are skewed elderly as a result (given that the state has not seen a large amount of in-migration in the central and western portions), and most rural counties are generally significantly older in population in PA.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:44 AM
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Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I think it's interesting how similar most states are other than Utah and Florida. Not much difference at all among Red / Blue, etc.
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Old 10-08-2015, 10:15 AM
 
Location: IN
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I think it's interesting how similar most states are other than Utah and Florida. Not much difference at all among Red / Blue, etc.
The only trend noticeable to me is that most states in the eastern US are aging at a faster rate than states in the western US within the last few years.
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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The only trend noticeable to me is that most states in the eastern US are aging at a faster rate than states in the western US within the last few years.
That's because white people make less babies than Hispanics. The regions with populations that make babies are younger and don't have trouble supporting older people, since they have on average 2 working people supporting 1 pensioner, while in other states, who have 1-1.5 kids per family, you get 1 worker supporting 2 pensioners....
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Old 10-08-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: IN
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That's because white people make less babies than Hispanics. The regions with populations that make babies are younger and don't have trouble supporting older people, since they have on average 2 working people supporting 1 pensioner, while in other states, who have 1-1.5 kids per family, you get 1 worker supporting 2 pensioners....
Hispanic birth rate is dropping as well in many states.
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Old 10-09-2015, 12:46 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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I wish there was a way to convince some older residents of certain counties in PA to.. ya know.. move to Wyoming or Florida. . PA still has the fourth fastest growing population of 65-plus. It is a strangle hold on the states finances.
Meanwhile, the cities of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia have both gotten younger.

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Oh yeah, guess what else? Social Security and Pensions isn't taxed at the state level. We give people no reason to leave.
A tax on Social Security benefits is essentially a double tax, so it makes sense not to tax it.

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Don't worry. The old people elect a huge majority that looks to education as the first thing to cut. Its disgusting. In 4 years under the last governor, $1 billion dollars of money that went straight to schools was either cut from the budget or reallocated to pay for the ballooning pension payments.
Yeah, under the last governor, who found himself in a heated competition with the governors of Connecticut and Illinois for the dubious distinction of being the most hated governor in the United States. Notice how he was defeated handily in the gubernatorial election last year, and by a much more pro-education governor at that. There's also this...

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In 2010, Attorney General Tom Corbett defeated Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) Executive Dan Onorato by nearly 10 points. But cuts to education and ties to the Penn State sex abuse scandal have sapped Corbett’s popularity, and he is in dire shape in the polls against Democratic businessman Tom Wolf.
...which appears to refute your assertion.

Oh, and for what it's worth, the number of 75- to 84-year-olds in Pennsylvania decreased between 2000 and 2014, so most elderly in the Commonwealth are now either the very old (85 and older), which is a population that's growing rapidly everywhere, or "Baby Boomers" who have recently reached retirement age.
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Old 10-09-2015, 07:13 AM
 
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Oh, and for what it's worth, the number of 75- to 84-year-olds in Pennsylvania decreased between 2000 and 2014, so most elderly in the Commonwealth are now either the very old (85 and older), which is a population that's growing rapidly everywhere, or "Baby Boomers" who have recently reached retirement age.
That's because during that time the lower-birthrate cohorts (compared to those born before or after) born during the Depression aged into that range.
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Old 10-09-2015, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Center City, Philadelphia
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Meanwhile, the cities of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia have both gotten younger.
True. However,, The cities make up a fraction of the state's overall population. It's a good time to be a young Pennsylvanian. We might not have hundreds of thousands of new jobs each year, but there are always positions to be filled at the companies around. So many people don't even realize that what the Philadelphia area (probably holds true with Pittsburgh too) has an average amount of white collar jobs and a below average amount of blue collar jobs. This obviously hurts because not many other places had more blue collar jobs than PA. This has led to the decline of our heavy industrial towns and cities.


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A tax on Social Security benefits is essentially a double tax, so it makes sense not to tax it.
Well this is probably something I'm not entirely for. I just think all things need to be on the table. Other states get by just fine doing it.

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Yeah, under the last governor, who found himself in a heated competition with the governors of Connecticut and Illinois for the dubious distinction of being the most hated governor in the United States. Notice how he was defeated handily in the gubernatorial election last year, and by a much more pro-education governor at that. There's also this...

...which appears to refute your assertion.
What assertion? That the Republican Party doesn't have a large majority in the House? Wolf went for the home run right off the bat. So many taxes need to be restrutured and brought into line and that the same time costs are growing. I read a lot about the audit of the department of education. I hope we see some meaningful changes in the department so that the inequity that exists between school to school ends. For those that don't know, PA has a pretty excellent public education when looking at the big picture and the state has been raising standards while the a lot of the country has been lowering. Just the way schools are funded puts lower income school districts at a disadvantage and it was, before the last governor, supplemented by the state.

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Oh, and for what it's worth, the number of 75- to 84-year-olds in Pennsylvania decreased between 2000 and 2014, so most elderly in the Commonwealth are now either the very old (85 and older), which is a population that's growing rapidly everywhere, or "Baby Boomers" who have recently reached retirement age.
and the baby boomers, who have benefitted the most from our social services, are going to replace them in much greater numbers.

There are good things though. It's all a cycle. In 25-30 years, we will be much younger while a lot of places are going to be much older and going through the problems that PA and Illnois are going through now. We should be happy. Our states are still economic powerhouses. Our biggest employers are realigning offices and HQs to be in the city or right around. awesome projects that were unthinkable occurring. This isn't really a thing a that is specific to PA, but PA is almost like a snapshot of the whole country in one state. There aren't enough good paying jobs being created for those without a degree.

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