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November 1, 2014
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There were 59 sunny or partly cloudy days in Detroit from November 2014 through April 2015.
November 2, 2014
November 3, 2014
November 5, 2014
November 11, 2014
November 15, 2014
November 18, 2014
November 21, 2014
December 3, 2014
December 4, 2014
December 7, 2014
December 22, 2014
December 26, 2014
December 29, 2014
December 31, 2014
January 1, 2015
January 10, 2015
January 13, 2015
January 14, 2015
January 15, 2015
January 17, 2015
January 28, 2015
January 31, 2015
February 5, 2015
February 13, 2015
February 15, 2015
February 17, 2015
February 20, 2015
February 23, 2015
February 24, 2015
February 25, 2015
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February 28, 2015
March 2, 2015
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March 11, 2015
March 12, 2015
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March 22, 2015
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April 1, 2015
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April 6, 2015
April 10, 2015
April 11, 2015
April 12, 2015
April 13, 2015
April 17, 2015
April 18, 2015
April 20, 2015
April 21, 2015
April 24, 2015
April 26, 2015
April 28, 2015
April 29, 2015
There were 64 sunny or partly cloudy days in Cleveland from November 2014 through April 2015.
November 2, 2014
November 3, 2014
November 10, 2014
November 11, 2014
November 15, 2014
November 18, 2014
November 20, 2014
November 21, 2014
November 22, 2014
November 24, 2014
November 25, 2014
November 28, 2014
December 3, 2014
December 4, 2014
December 7, 2014
December 22, 2014
December 26, 2014
January 1, 2015
January 2, 2015
January 7, 2015
January 8, 2015
January 9, 2015
January 10, 2015
January 13, 2015
January 15, 2015
January 17, 2015
January 28, 2015
January 31, 2015
February 5, 2015
February 6, 2015
February 10, 2015
February 11, 2015
February 13, 2015
February 15, 2015
February 17, 2015
February 19, 2015
February 20, 2015
February 23, 2015
February 24, 2015
February 25, 2015
February 27, 2015
February 28, 2015
March 2, 2015
March 6, 2015
March 7, 2015
March 8, 2015
March 9, 2015
March 11, 2015
March 12, 2015
March 17, 2015
March 18, 2015
March 22, 2015
March 23, 2015
March 24, 2015
March 28, 2015
March 29, 2015
March 30, 2015
March 31, 2015
April 1, 2015
April 4, 2015
April 5, 2015
April 10, 2015
April 11, 2015
April 12, 2015
April 13, 2015
April 17, 2015
April 18, 2015
April 24, 2015
April 26, 2015
April 28, 2015
April 29, 2015
There were 71 sunny or partly cloudy days in Pittsburgh from November 2014 through April 2015.
November 2, 2014
November 5, 2014
November 11, 2014
November 14, 2014
November 18, 2014
November 21, 2014
November 24, 2014
December 2, 2014
December 4, 2014
December 7, 2014
December 20, 2014
December 22, 2014
December 26, 2014
December 29, 2014
December 30, 2014
December 31, 2014
January 2, 2015
January 4, 2015
January 5, 2015
January 9, 2015
January 10, 2015
January 13, 2015
January 14, 2015
January 16, 2015
January 17, 2015
January 20, 2015
January 21, 2015
January 22, 2015
January 25, 2015
January 28, 2015
February 3, 2015
February 5, 2015
February 13, 2015
February 17, 2015
February 19, 2015
February 20, 2015
February 23, 2015
February 25, 2015
February 27, 2015
February 28, 2015
March 2, 2015
March 5, 2015
March 6, 2015
March 8, 2015
March 9, 2015
March 12, 2015
March 13, 2015
March 17, 2015
March 18, 2015
March 19, 2015
March 21, 2015
March 22, 2015
March 23, 2015
March 24, 2015
March 28, 2015
March 29, 2015
March 31, 2015
April 1, 2015
April 11, 2015
April 12, 2015
April 14, 2015
April 15, 2015
April 17, 2015
April 18, 2015
April 19, 2015
April 21, 2015
April 24, 2015
April 25, 2015
April 26, 2015
April 28, 2015
April 29, 2015
April 30, 2015
There were 72 sunny or partly cloudy days in Buffalo from November 2014 through April 2015.
On each of the days listed above for each of those cities, you literally did see the sun, unless you weren't paying any attention. Detroit and Cleveland averaged about one day with sunshine out of three from November 2014 through April 2015, and Pittsburgh and Buffalo averaged about three days with sunshine out of eight during that same period of time. Just because it's cloudy more often than not in those cities during the colder months doesn't mean that the sun never shines. Only an unobservant moron would believe that. The way some people act, you'd think Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo were comparable to the subantarctic islands of New Zealand in terms of annual sunshine hours, which is stupid as hell. Those four cities actually compare favorably to most major cities in Europe, and many major cities in Asia, when it comes to sunshine.
Last edited by Craziaskowboi; 10-09-2015 at 06:29 PM..
November 1, 2014
November 5, 2014
November 11, 2014
November 14, 2014
November 18, 2014
November 21, 2014
December 3, 2014
December 7, 2014
December 11, 2014
December 26, 2014
December 28, 2014
December 29, 2014
December 30, 2014
December 31, 2014
January 7, 2015
January 10, 2015
January 13, 2015
January 26, 2015
January 27, 2015
January 28, 2015
January 30, 2015
February 2, 2015
February 5, 2015
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February 23, 2015
February 25, 2015
February 27, 2015
February 28, 2015
March 2, 2015
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March 6, 2015
March 7, 2015
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March 11, 2015
March 12, 2015
March 17, 2015
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March 24, 2015
March 28, 2015
March 29, 2015
March 30, 2015
April 1, 2015
April 4, 2015
April 11, 2015
April 12, 2015
April 15, 2015
April 17, 2015
April 18, 2015
April 24, 2015
April 26, 2015
April 28, 2015
There were 59 sunny or partly cloudy days in Detroit from November 2014 through April 2015.
November 2, 2014
November 3, 2014
November 5, 2014
November 11, 2014
November 15, 2014
November 18, 2014
November 21, 2014
December 3, 2014
December 4, 2014
December 7, 2014
December 22, 2014
December 26, 2014
December 29, 2014
December 31, 2014
January 1, 2015
January 10, 2015
January 13, 2015
January 14, 2015
January 15, 2015
January 17, 2015
January 28, 2015
January 31, 2015
February 5, 2015
February 13, 2015
February 15, 2015
February 17, 2015
February 20, 2015
February 23, 2015
February 24, 2015
February 25, 2015
February 27, 2015
February 28, 2015
March 2, 2015
March 5, 2015
March 6, 2015
March 7, 2015
March 8, 2015
March 9, 2015
March 11, 2015
March 12, 2015
March 17, 2015
March 18, 2015
March 22, 2015
March 23, 2015
March 24, 2015
March 28, 2015
March 29, 2015
March 30, 2015
April 1, 2015
April 4, 2015
April 5, 2015
April 6, 2015
April 10, 2015
April 11, 2015
April 12, 2015
April 13, 2015
April 17, 2015
April 18, 2015
April 20, 2015
April 21, 2015
April 24, 2015
April 26, 2015
April 28, 2015
April 29, 2015
There were 64 sunny or partly cloudy days in Cleveland from November 2014 through April 2015.
November 2, 2014
November 3, 2014
November 10, 2014
November 11, 2014
November 15, 2014
November 18, 2014
November 20, 2014
November 21, 2014
November 22, 2014
November 24, 2014
November 25, 2014
November 28, 2014
December 3, 2014
December 4, 2014
December 7, 2014
December 22, 2014
December 26, 2014
January 1, 2015
January 2, 2015
January 7, 2015
January 8, 2015
January 9, 2015
January 10, 2015
January 13, 2015
January 15, 2015
January 17, 2015
January 28, 2015
January 31, 2015
February 5, 2015
February 6, 2015
February 10, 2015
February 11, 2015
February 13, 2015
February 15, 2015
February 17, 2015
February 19, 2015
February 20, 2015
February 23, 2015
February 24, 2015
February 25, 2015
February 27, 2015
February 28, 2015
March 2, 2015
March 6, 2015
March 7, 2015
March 8, 2015
March 9, 2015
March 11, 2015
March 12, 2015
March 17, 2015
March 18, 2015
March 22, 2015
March 23, 2015
March 24, 2015
March 28, 2015
March 29, 2015
March 30, 2015
March 31, 2015
April 1, 2015
April 4, 2015
April 5, 2015
April 10, 2015
April 11, 2015
April 12, 2015
April 13, 2015
April 17, 2015
April 18, 2015
April 24, 2015
April 26, 2015
April 28, 2015
April 29, 2015
There were 71 sunny or partly cloudy days in Pittsburgh from November 2014 through April 2015.
November 2, 2014
November 5, 2014
November 11, 2014
November 14, 2014
November 18, 2014
November 21, 2014
November 24, 2014
December 2, 2014
December 4, 2014
December 7, 2014
December 20, 2014
December 22, 2014
December 26, 2014
December 29, 2014
December 30, 2014
December 31, 2014
January 2, 2015
January 4, 2015
January 5, 2015
January 9, 2015
January 10, 2015
January 13, 2015
January 14, 2015
January 16, 2015
January 17, 2015
January 20, 2015
January 21, 2015
January 22, 2015
January 25, 2015
January 28, 2015
February 3, 2015
February 5, 2015
February 13, 2015
February 17, 2015
February 19, 2015
February 20, 2015
February 23, 2015
February 25, 2015
February 27, 2015
February 28, 2015
March 2, 2015
March 5, 2015
March 6, 2015
March 8, 2015
March 9, 2015
March 12, 2015
March 13, 2015
March 17, 2015
March 18, 2015
March 19, 2015
March 21, 2015
March 22, 2015
March 23, 2015
March 24, 2015
March 28, 2015
March 29, 2015
March 31, 2015
April 1, 2015
April 11, 2015
April 12, 2015
April 14, 2015
April 15, 2015
April 17, 2015
April 18, 2015
April 19, 2015
April 21, 2015
April 24, 2015
April 25, 2015
April 26, 2015
April 28, 2015
April 29, 2015
April 30, 2015
There were 72 sunny or partly cloudy days in Buffalo from November 2014 through April 2015.
On each of the days listed above for each of those cities, you literally did see the sun, unless you weren't paying any attention. Detroit and Cleveland averaged about one day with sunshine out of three from November 2014 through April 2015, and Pittsburgh and Buffalo averaged about three days with sunshine out of eight during that same period of time. Just because it's cloudy more often than not in those cities during the colder months doesn't mean that the sun never shines. Only an unobservant moron would believe that. The way some people act, you'd think Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo were comparable to the subantarctic islands of New Zealand in terms of annual sunshine hours, which is stupid as hell. Those four cities actually compare favorably to most major cities in Europe, and many major cities in Asia, when it comes to sunshine.
People like to claim the ridiculous...but then, someone proves them wrong. Love it.
People like to claim the ridiculous...but then, someone proves them wrong. Love it.
Yes, an exaggeration, but generally the bottom line is that the area between western NY and reaching towards Chicago is nearly the cloudiest in the country after the Pacific Northwest.
It may compare favorably with some areas in Europe, but northern Europe is notoriously cloudy in fall and winter.
On each of the days listed above for each of those cities, you literally did see the sun, unless you weren't paying any attention. Detroit and Cleveland averaged about one day with sunshine out of three from November 2014 through April 2015, and Pittsburgh and Buffalo averaged about three days with sunshine out of eight during that same period of time. Just because it's cloudy more often than not in those cities during the colder months doesn't mean that the sun never shines. Only an unobservant moron would believe that. The way some people act, you'd think Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo were comparable to the subantarctic islands of New Zealand in terms of annual sunshine hours, which is stupid as hell. Those four cities actually compare favorably to most major cities in Europe, and many major cities in Asia, when it comes to sunshine.
Sorry for saying literal in a figurative sense.
So, let's break it down. I used to live in Syracuse. In December, the sun is out 25% of the time during the day; the sun rises at 7:30 and sets at 4:30, so the day is only nine-hours long. That means Syracuse averages two hours and fifteen minutes of sunshine a day.
That means an average of 21-hours and 45-minutes of darkness each winter day.Try living in that. Try to understand what that's like, and you'll see that statements like "you will not see the sun" is not much of an exaggeration.
Furthermore, your data are from last year, which was the sunniest (and coldest) year the rustbelt has seen in decades. Whenever there'd be a "polar vortex," the fringed arctic air would sweep away the clouds. Most years aren't nearly as sunny.
Buffalo only averages one clear day each December.
Below are data pertaining to the average hours of sunshine in December for America's five gloomiest major cities:
Seattle: 53
Portland: 64
Cleveland: 68
Buffalo: 69
Pittsburgh: 74
Cleveland only gets four more hours of sun in December than Portland, Oregon.
This is significantly gloomier than to 106 hours of sunshine in Chicago and 139 hours in New York City.
Now let's look at percentage of possible sunshine in December (I'm pulling data from Wikipedia).
Seattle: 20%
Grand Rapids: 22%
Portland: 23%
Cleveland: 24%
Spokane: 24%
Syracuse: 25%
Buffalo: 25%
Pittsburgh: 26%
Rochester: 28%
Lansing: 29%
Chicago: 37%; New York City 48%
This means that Chicago is 68% sunnier than Grand Rapids, which is just 125 miles away (as the crow flies) on the other side of Lake Michigan.
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So, yes, New York City is much sunnier than Chicago (30% sunnier in December), but Chicago is still sunnier than most other Great Lakes cities.
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This surprises me. I thought that (generally speaking of course), that the more west you go in America the sunnier it gets, until you reach the west coast which it then gets cloudy.
Not in the northern US; it gets cloudier away from the coast by the Appalachians and near the Great Lakes, then goes back up.
By month, you can see the cloudiness of the Great Lakes / Appalachians is mostly in winter or late fall. In January, the sunshine is much higher on the coast compared to inland; it won't reach that high going west till you go west of the Mississippi River. Going from NYC northwest towards upstate on NY-17 in the winter, I'd notice it would typically switch from partly or mostly sunny to mostly cloudy somewhere around the Catskills. And the temperatures would be dropping fast.
Note most other countries use a different method for measuring sunshine that results in about 200-300 less sunshine hours annually. So you can't compare those number directly with Europe or Canada.
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I have read that chicago gets less precipitation than NYC. Any truth to that?
It does. About 20-25% less. NYC gets more from getting coastal storms. Summers are about the same as Chicago is more thunderstorm prone.
Incredibly noticeable in the winter, when SAD is worst. Do research into sunshine hours in the winter and you'll see the difference is much greater than when looking at the whole year.
I'd say New York and Chicago are both 65% sunny in the summer. But New York is still 40% sunny in the winter, while Chicago is 15%. The only area of North America with less winter sun is the Pacific Northwest. There, it's like 7%.
Buffalo and Pittsburgh are even worse than the NW because they are FREEZING cold.
Wow, I never knew Chicago was comparable to Seattle in terms of overcast.
You can compare them, but I wouldn't call them comparable when it counts the most for some people (winter). More comparable cities would be great lakes cities that lie east of the lakes. Chicago and Seattle are most similar in early spring or late summer, but in the winter months Chicago is much more sunny than Seattle, upwards of twice as sunny.
While Chicago winters are gloomy, you do see the sun now and then. Whereas in Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo, you literally will not see the sun from November through the beginning of May.
Dude, read the thread. I backed up my claim in post #14.
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