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Old 11-12-2015, 04:55 PM
Location: The City
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Really? The Census Bureau is not usually responsible for metro or csa boundaries and I dont ever remember seeing that in the OMB recommendations where they made exceptions for any regions. Could you provide a link?


Splitting Large Urban Agglomerations

Similar to the delineation process used for the 2000 Census, the Census Bureau will use the same automated urban area delineation methodology for determining urban and rural areas in the 2010 Census. Use of this approach will result in some exceptionally large urban agglomerations of continuously developed territory. Although such areas do reflect the reality of urbanization at one scale, the areas may be cumbersome and less satisfactory for more localized applications. For example, an area of virtually continuous urbanization exists from northeastern Maryland through the Philadelphia area, central New Jersey, the New York City area, and central Connecticut. This area of near-continuous urbanization encompasses nine UAs defined for Census 2000.

The Census Bureau anticipates that many data users would find these large agglomerations to be inconvenient for meaningful analysis, and therefore, proposes that they be split in some consistent fashion. For example, the Census Bureau split large agglomerations for Census 2000 by using metropolitan statistical area and primary metropolitan statistical area (PMSA) boundaries as a guide to identify the narrowest area along the high density “corridor” between larger core.
There is another on MSAs and CSAs where Trenton is specifically called out and the census made the exception to keep independant at the MSA as the legacy designation out of simplicity for analysis. Need to find that one, may have time later been traveling to much lately
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Old 11-12-2015, 06:41 PM
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Originally Posted by kidphilly View Post
This is for Urbanized Areas, whose criteria are not the same as MSAs and CSAs. I didnt really ask about this but thanks for the link.

There is another on MSAs and CSAs where Trenton is specifically called out and the census made the exception to keep independant at the MSA as the legacy designation out of simplicity for analysis. Need to find that one, may have time later been traveling to much lately
Like I said, I've never seen that before, and would be very curious to actually see this specific exception to the rule, which thus far has applied to every region in the country, equally.

Furthermore, I dont see how Trenton alone is reason enough to combine New York and Philadelphia. There would have to be major commuting between NY and Philly themselves for this to make sense, patching together 2 Large MSAs via a smaller MSA is not something that is done, as far as I know---also, 15% is quite a threshold for 2 MSAs as large as these 2.

But then, who knows. It always seems to depend on whose running the OMB(i.e., which party is in office)
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:46 PM
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Originally Posted by qworldorder View Post
Na, a lot of New Jersey IS one big suburb--and I say this non-derisively, as NJ is annually in the top 3 wealthiest states in the country (if not THE wealthiest), along with being one of the most educated. I don't view large parts of the state being functional suburbs of NYC and Philadelphia as a bad thing, especially since Jersey has established its own strong identity in spite of it.

Because let's face it, your once great satellite cities are not at their peak and blighted, though they are gentrifying and rapidly turning a corner. Jersey has its own identify, sure (and something Delaware really doesn't have comparatively), but you're kidding if you don't think your state functions as one big suburb. Neither Newark nor Camden nor Trenton nor AC nor Jersey City really dominate things on either end of the state (or middle), though they do greatly contribute to New Jersey's success. It's like your state is a ton of wealthy suburbs and beach towns, with your core cities acting as cheaper alternatives for New Yorkers/Philadelphians/native New Jersians/ businesses. Again, not a bad thing, IMO.

And funny bringing up the Devils, New Jersey's sole remaining pro team (in the least popular of the big 4, to boot). I can't think of any other area in this country that has THREE separate pro teams from another state playing in its borders. True, that's indicative of North Jersey's strong relationship with NYC, but it's also indicative of Jersey's suburb status.

Again, don't take this negatively. I love Jersey, and think your state is far superior to mine in so many ways. NJ definitely has its own identity, which most "suburbs" lack. But I have to call a spade a spade (from my point of view). NJ has a strong identity, but a large portion of the state intertwined with NYC and Philadelphia. Not dependent, of course, but not exactly independent, either. Obviously, it's not exactly a bad thing
Oh, 40% at best. The entire state is not a suburb of NYC or Philly.
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