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Old 11-02-2015, 06:26 PM
 
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pretty good post caleb but I really disagree about schools. two of the schools you mentioned up north arent northern, william and and mary is in virginia and annapolis is in maryland and I am sure have a very large southern contingents, there are tons of great universities in the south, you left out rice,davidson,wake forest,virginia tech etc ut,uva and unc are some of the top ranked publics in the country and alot more great ones. I went to school at uf in florida and duke in north carolina and I think both were some of the best in the country for my field, it wasnt cheap especially for out of state though which I thought was very unfair.

Its not just at collegiate level, primary secondary and high schools ,especially the charters, in the south are some of the best in the country

7 of the top 10 high schools in the national rankings in 2015 are in the south

Best High Schools Rankings | Top High Schools | US News

8 of the top 10 magnet schools in the country are in the south

Best Magnet School Rankings | Top Magnet Schools | US News

dallas has the top two in that magnet list, The dallas school for the gifted and talented is usually onevery list as the number one high school in the country
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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Georgia's ports are superior to Alabama's.
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Georgia's higher ed system [is] superior to Alabama's.
Yep
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:28 AM
 
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Yes they are. Alabama has nothing like Hartsfield-Jackson, and while Mobile is a solid port, Savannah's port outperforms it and Alabama doesn't have a secondary port like Brunswick. Georgia handily wins in the ports category over Alabama.
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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South:

The good....

Weather, more mild. Winters are not nearly as tough. No digging your car out and rare a windshield get scraped....
Women....no other way to say this but, they are just pretty. Sorry, grew up in the Northern Ohio area and they just are. Thank you females one and all in the South....helping to keep America beautiful, one good looking woman, of all ages...at a time....grace, beauty, and a fair amount of botox and augmentations don't hurt....
Lower corporate Taxes.....
Few unions!
Better demeanor....people actually get to know their neighbors and while all is not always genuine..it can be nice.....growing up North I never knew my next door neighbors...ever....
Courtesy....again, not always genuine (how are eeeewwwwwwww? as she tears the woman apart with her friends shorty thereafter) but, for the most part, it is...and for those that fake it? At least the interchange is more pleasant...when I went home about 8 years ago and waived at my brother's neighbor he told me to stop it or people would think I was goofy....waiving to a neighbor....oh the humanity!

Opportunities....until recently, going North looking for a job was like going to a nun to get laid....sure, you can try but, your odds are pretty bad. Skip it.

Religion. Very pronounced but, not a corner on it as some would have you believe. As it turns out, religion is real big up North too. Real big. It's just not usually a lifestyle. However, the one biggest church you must contend with is the SEC.

Nothing can strike a more visceral reaction than who you cheer fall in the fall. The SEC IS religion....it's an out of body experience and it blows pro ball away. It's probably the only place where pro players are careful what they say and who they say it to when it comes to college football.

God himself watches the SEC on Saturdays and with good reason. The most devoted humans, right or wrong, are found in front of TV sets and sitting in stadiums and bars cheering them on. Amazing. And yet, mesmerizing....I know I love it.....losing 2 games as an SEC coach is pushing the limit on any contract....losing 3 and you are probably on your way out....lose 4 and they will hold your kids and wife hostage and pull a jihad on your house.

It's that serious.

The bad....

Sometimes, friendliness is not always genuine and people can nose about your business....bless his heart and all that crap...up North, you know PRECISELY where you stand...if they don't like you, you know it...they are actually more self-sufficient up North than one might think but, sadly, it's at the cost of social grace and necessity......

Schools....primary AND secondary...no one is ever going to accuse the schools down South as being "great"...they simply aren't...and while we do enjoy Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, and Emory for being top notch, one has to remember that is 3 across three states......pick on any couple of states up in the North and there are a litany of them.....Case Western, Carnegie Mellon, Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Dartmouth, Northwestern, University of Chicago, Purdue, Colgate, Cornell, NYU, MIT, Penn State, Wesleyan, Tufts, Naval Academy, West Point, William and Mary. If none of those trip your trigger, there are simply MORE colleges up north to choose from....

Don't shoot the messenger, just a fact...haven't even touched the others that would make most VSU's, Univ of B'ham, and others pale in comparison....

Graduation rates in the south for high school are some of the worst in the country and it's a common thread among all southern states.....

Depending where you live, the Southern Summers can be scorching....believe it or not, it's not nearly as bad in Atlanta as some might think.....southern Georgia can cook eggs on the sidewalk.....although, this past summer one might take pause with that statement.....








The ugly.....

the more rural you go the more it's possible to not be accepted. Oddly enough, having been born in the south and raised in the north only to matriculate to the south as an adult I can tell you that southerners are not treated as poorly going north as northerners going south. It's crazy too because in the 1910-1930's the south was emptying itself for southerners to go north for all the auto, rubber, and steel jobs....not what those have had their rears kicked in for decades, people are moving south because like all humans, you go where the jobs are...period. Depending where you go in this state, you can meet some resistance. Best advice is do NOT act like you are superior and don't start telling everyone how they should live.....some states/areas, can be particularly annoying....Chicago natives for example...seem to have....an air?

While it's true Chicago has been a landmark for business for well over a 100 years, it also leads the nation I believe in murders, ridiculous democratic ideals, a less than performing president, and graft that would make Huey Long blush. Please. Park it. Just sayin'.

To ignore the inherent friction of anti-yankee sentiment in certain areas is folly. Be careful. Hypocrisy abounds and no one gets a break. The quicker you assimilate, the easier you will find it living in the South.

Summation?

While it's not perfect, one can certainly find it exponentially more pleasing to live in the south for weather, beauty (women deep...even with the transplants!), civility, cost of living, lower taxes and easier pace and for me, that's more than enough and I am overtly grateful for it.

I've lived in many places and when all is considered, there is just something about that Charlotte, Nashville, Atlanta triangle that smacks of "home". Not perfect, just overall pretty darned good.

Good enough.
I agree with a lot of this (not all but much of it) but I did want to point out something that immediately struck me - the graduation rates.

Texas ranks 3rd in the nation for highest four year high school graduation rates. In fact, four southern states are above the national average when it comes to graduation rates: Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee and Virginia.

High School Graduation Rates by State
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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But this is true in places like WV, PA, even upstate NY as well - and the Ozarks too for that matter. This is not exclusively a southern issue. It's more of a "mountain folk" issue.
The key difference is that the northern states in the Appalachian mountain range had cities that were prosperous at one time, and some are regaining their footing like Pittsburgh. East Tennessee, southwest VA, WV, etc., have never had any cities or employment of note in the last fifty years or so. They are economically dead areas.
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Old 11-03-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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The key difference is that the northern states in the Appalachian mountain range had cities that were prosperous at one time, and some are regaining their footing like Pittsburgh. East Tennessee, southwest VA, WV, etc., have never had any cities or employment of note in the last fifty years or so. They are economically dead areas.
WV is not a southern state. It's one of the most incredibly poverty stricken areas I've ever seen.

My husband spends a lot of time working in Pittsburgh and I go up that way pretty often. That whole region of Appalachia is poor, dirty, and grimy. I don't see any end in sight for them for a long time, either.

We're not living in the past - we're living in the present and looking toward the future. The present and future of those areas looks pretty bleak to me.
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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There is a very good poster named bobbilee who had a post about west virginia history and I read up about it, its a really amazing history to the state and how it was brought into being during the civil war on the side of the north. West virginia just hasnt had the kind of economic diversification it needs to get beyond coal, west virginia has some gorgeous mountains and rivers.

I have been to snowshoe a couple of times and went to harpers ferry on a civil war history trip in college and there is definitely alot of natural beauty to the state, overall they just need better leaders to diversify the economy.

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Old 11-03-2015, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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Yes they are. Alabama has nothing like Hartsfield-Jackson, and while Mobile is a solid port, Savannah's port outperforms it and Alabama doesn't have a secondary port like Brunswick. Georgia handily wins in the ports category over Alabama.
Yeah, no one is arguing about airports. "Port" in it's common usage denotes sea/water port. "The kids and I are flying into Port of Baltimore today." Yeahhhhhh, no.

And to those ends, you might want to go look up some stats. Mmkay? GA isn't the end-all-be-all of everything. It's ok to be inferior in some respects. Perspective - Port of Pittsburgh processed nearly 30 million more tons of cargo than little Brunswick in 2013. Brunswick and Savannah combined don't come close to the shipping tonnage processed at the Port of Mobile.

Which is how ports are ranked.

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Old 11-03-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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Yeah, no one is arguing about airports. "Port" in it's common usage denotes sea/water port. "The kids and I are flying into Port of Baltimore today." Yeahhhhhh, no.
"Ports" can encompass both airports and seaports, which is why both were specifically mentioned to make that clear.

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And to those ends, you might want to go look up some stats. Mmkay? GA isn't the end-all-be-all of everything. It's ok to be inferior in some respects. Perspective - Port of Pittsburgh processed nearly 30 million more tons of cargo than little Brunswick in 2013. Brunswick and Savannah combined don't come close to the shipping tonnage processed at the Port of Mobile.

Which is how ports are ranked.
Nobody said Georgia is the "end all be all of everything," so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

"Port of Pittsburgh"????

And seaports are ranked a few different ways, just like airports are. One common way to rank ports is by the number of TEUs handled annually and Savannah bests Mobile on that front: Top 10 Busiest Ports in the U.S. | But yes, according to the latest stats I could find, Mobile has more tonnage to come through its port.

But to the larger point made, transportation is a significant difference between the two states; Georgia's more favorable location is to thank for that.
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Old 11-03-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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I agree with a lot of this (not all but much of it) but I did want to point out something that immediately struck me - the graduation rates.

Texas ranks 3rd in the nation for highest four year high school graduation rates. In fact, four southern states are above the national average when it comes to graduation rates: Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee and Virginia.

High School Graduation Rates by State
Yeah, but how about Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana......besides, some of those statistics can be a bit off as we all have found out.....a kid getting a 4.0 in Reynolds County Georgia lands a scholarship on Hope and then promptly fails out his/her first semester at UGA.....accident? Hardly.

While the curriculum is the allegedly the same, the need for teachers to hang on to the only gainful employment within 50 miles of said Reynolds County, with a pension!!!! is going to make darn sure those kids are going to look like geniuses from the trailer park.....as if.....

Kids have seen it at tech....rural kids with "4.0 GPA's" bomb in the first semester at Georgia Tech......it's not an accident....no one is going to convince me a school system, primarily poor and rural in this state is putting out the same quality of student as some of the more trying and affluent counties in this state. They just arent'. Are there some jewels in the crowd? You bet.....are there some that deserve every chance we can afford them? Absolutely....

However, having worked with these schools on their infrastructure, it's a miracle some of faculty is allowed to hold the job. It is, what it is.....look at their drop out rates.....county by county......

No matter, look at that list again....the southern states typically, not unilaterally, have poorer results in academics than their northern counter-parts and I take NO pleasure in saying that. It is....what it is.....
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