U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S.
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Legacy cities or non legacy
Legacy city 67 69.07%
Non legacy city 21 21.65%
No preference 9 9.28%
Voters: 97. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-25-2017, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
2,331 posts, read 3,054,646 times
Reputation: 3925

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by MassVt View Post
I'd lean towards legacy, although I'm not a fan of some legacy cities ..

I'm also not sure if a city like Minneapolis is indeed a legacy city--it seems like it straddles the border between the two types...
Minneapolis lost a lot of its oldest fabric to growth and urban renewal but it still has the institutions of a legacy city. St Paul has both.

One of the issues Minneapolis had with its old fabric was that it began as an incredibly dense and compact city. In 1890 it had 160,000 people. They lived entirely in what is now downtown and Old St Anthony across the river. Only fragments of that city remain, it has been replaced by the modern downtown. What is left are the mills, the Warehouse District and scattered buildings in Elliot Park.

Last edited by Drewcifer; 04-25-2017 at 08:13 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-25-2017, 08:01 PM
 
3,222 posts, read 1,551,871 times
Reputation: 2352
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine to Vine View Post
You're perhaps equating old with "historic." Big diff.
Philly had a lot old preserved mostly because the city did not clear out blight. It simply was lax in that. But it left more to restore today that were left in disrepair for decades even. If Colonial GREAT. Plain ole row-homes built as a assembly-line for the masses outside of CC is not necessarily great.

The Colonial Center City downtown neighborhoods were luckily first to gentrify. They warranted saving. But around Independence Hall it was mostly lost. Even wit was tore down for the Independence Mall? Were late 19th century. Luckily the Betsy Ross House and Ben Franklin's and Christ Church with his gravesight are preserved. Love the Colonial enclaves still left though.

But much of the city is not the quaint Colonial areas. Houston did remove SOOOOO much of old Houston downtown. Its inner Loop areas. Don't really have much worthy to save. So new infill is replacing it more dense then the older ranch homes they replace.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2017, 04:17 PM
 
Location: DC
2,044 posts, read 2,288,301 times
Reputation: 1777
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleverfield View Post
Legacy cities and non-legacy cities have different advantages and disadvantages. Legacy city refers to a city that largely boomed in the early-mid 20th century. They are mostly in the Northeast and Midwest, have strong cultural fabric, good public transit, rich architecture, and well endowed cultural institutions. They also have higher concentrations of poverty, lower median income, more abandonment, and slow or negative population growth. Examples are Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburg.

Non legacy cities boomed more recently, are experiencing rapid growth, have higher median incomes than legacy cities. However, they are lacking in historic architecture, strong cultural institutions, public transit, and walkability.

Which type of city do you prefer and why?
Not all legacy cities have higher concentrations of poverty and lower median incomes. Some like NYC, DC, and Boston have higher concentrations of wealth and higher median income. It is really a mixed bag with legacy city because while some this is true, others are much wealthier than non-legacy cities. What they do feature is more wealth disparity than non-legacy cities. There are two types of legacy cities: Gentrified knowledge capitals, and declining post-industrial cities. The Gentrified Knowledge capitals: DC, Boston, SF, and NYC all are doing very well economically.

Also if you think DC is like its murder capital days in the 1980s/1990s, a great deal has changed since then.

I generally like legacy cities more so than non-legacy ones. But only the ones that turned themselves into knowledge capitals.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S.
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top