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OK fair enough. BTW, I lived in Chicagoland/Illinois most of my life before I moved out west so I know what its like.
So are you saying it's not just the city residents (many of whom purposefully choose to live there because they like big city life, at least the younger white-collar types) but the entire metro?
I'm curious how other big "urban" non-western metros compare? Downstate NY often assumes upstate NY is just empty with nothing there, but plenty are aware it's a pretty escape. Boston likes northern New England, I was hiking on the side of Mt. Washington with a friend from the Boston suburbs and we encountered a few people he went to high school with on the trail. And the Appalachian Mountain Club [which is really just for New England mountains] is based in the center of Boston.
So are you saying it's not just the city residents (many of whom purposefully choose to live there because they like big city life, at least the younger white-collar types) but the entire metro?
I'm curious how other big "urban" non-western metros compare? Downstate NY often assumes upstate NY is just empty with nothing there, but plenty are aware it's a pretty escape. Boston likes northern New England, I was hiking on the side of Mt. Washington with a friend from the Boston suburbs and we encountered a few people he went to high school with on the trail. And the Appalachian Mountain Club [which is really just for New England mountains] is based in the center of Boston.
Oh don't get me wrong, actually I would say Chicagolanders love Wisconsin just as much as Boston area people love northern New England.
My ultimate point of my back and forth with drover, is that in the east, yes plenty of people enjoy the outdoors across the region, but it skews heavily to white families, or traditional youth organizations like Boy Scouts, etc. A lot of families have cabins in Wisconsin.
And your first part brings up the very point, Chicago, as I imagine would be the case in Boston, reference to the younger white collar types that live there because they like the big city life. And that crowd would be ones ONLY option for a social scene.
Its just different here on the California, where there are a gazillion meetups I mean there are Sierra Clubs social outdoor groups that are specifically titled to be for singles in their 20s and 30s. I don't think you would have that at all in the east.
My ultimate point of my back and forth with drover, is that in the east, yes plenty of people enjoy the outdoors across the region, but it skews heavily to white families, or traditional youth organizations like Boy Scouts, etc. A lot of families have cabins in Wisconsin.
I think that's true everywhere, that urban minorities tend to be less interested and just get out less into the outdoors. A white New Yorker would be more likely to make trips upstate than a minority New Yorker. I went on a pre-college backpacking trip. One of the guys (black hispanic from Upper Manhattan) had never really been hiking before, let alone camping.
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And your first part brings up the very point, Chicago, as I imagine would be the case in Boston, reference to the younger white collar types that live there because they like the big city life. And that crowd would be ones ONLY option for a social scene.
I think Boston is more interested in the outdoors, probably more than most big northern cities. I had some friends that moved there that made frequent trips for hiking in northern New England.
I think that's true everywhere, that urban minorities tend to be less interested and just get out less into the outdoors. A white New Yorker would be more likely to make trips upstate than a minority New Yorker. I went on a pre-college backpacking trip. One of the guys (black hispanic from Upper Manhattan) had never really been hiking before, let alone camping.
I think Boston is more interested in the outdoors, probably more than most big northern cities. I had some friends that moved there that made frequent trips for hiking in northern New England.
Maybe but it really seems like there's a lot more diversity in outdoor groups here in California.
It's called "seeing other places." If we all just sat around and never left Chicago, you'd probably accuse us of being insular and parochial.
I was referring to Chicago people who buy homes in southwest Michigan. You should see how many Chicagolanders dock their boats in the summer in southwest Michigan harbors. I would say that is more that just "seeing other places".
I was referring to Chicago people who buy homes in southwest Michigan. You should see how many Chicagolanders dock their boats in the summer in southwest Michigan harbors. I would say that is more that just "seeing other places".
Yes, it's called a vacation home. Many people with money all over the world do this.
I was referring to Chicago people who buy homes in southwest Michigan. You should see how many Chicagolanders dock their boats in the summer in southwest Michigan harbors. I would say that is more that just "seeing other places".
And you should see the number of U of M and Michigan State alumni that moved to and live in Chicago. It is what it is.
And you should see the number of U of M and Michigan State alumni that moved to and live in Chicago. It is what it is.
Yes, you are correct. I work with a IIT grad in the Detroit area. One of my former coworkers graduated from Champaign-Urbana.
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