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View Poll Results: Should PR become a state?
Yes 64 44.44%
No 61 42.36%
Maybe 19 13.19%
Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-29-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Let's talk reality. Right now Puerto Rico is already second world country that recently declared bankruptcy.

How is taking on a culturally foreign state that is twice as poor as Mississippi going to be an economic plus for Americans? I have more faith in Mississippi becoming the next Silicon Valley than Puerto Rico will suddenly experience an unprecedented economic miracle that will boost it to contending with America's poorest states. Puerto is poor, always has been. Also, your prediction of millions of people fleeing to the U.S. is ridiculous. They already "flee" to the U.S. in droves because Puerto Rico is poor. More Puerto Ricans live in America than Puerto Rico itself, and the droves of Puerto Ricans already living in the northeast are pretty adamant about just how "not American" they are. Lastly, they have what, 3 million people on the whole island? The entire island would not evacuate in the event that they themselves vote for independence.



Give me a break, most people would be living on federal welfare like so many there already do. Puerto has nothing much going for it economically whether part of the US or not. Even if we pretended that they are American and founded by Americans moving westwards like all of the other states, they would still be an economic burden. It's fun to play "what if", but it ain't ever gonna happen anyways.
"Nuyroricans" are not the same as Puerto Ricans, there is a huge disconnect between the two groups. Many island Puerto Ricans hate Nuyroicans because they believe that they give Puerto Rico a bad image ... and judging by the ignorance in this thread they are right.

And yes, they would leave. Something most of you don't grasp is that the only people in Puerto Rico who actually support independence are basically socialists and neo-Marxists. They are huge allies of Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc. An independent Puerto Rico would look like Venezuela ... Ruben Berrios, the head of the PIP, always tells us how much he admires Maduro, the dead Chavez, and the Castro brothers. It's simply not viable in the world we live in.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Yes and the Netherlands should become the 52nd state.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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"Nuyroricans" are not the same as Puerto Ricans, there is a huge disconnect between the two groups. Many island Puerto Ricans hate Nuyroicans because they believe that they give Puerto Rico a bad image ... and judging by the ignorance in this thread they are right.
Right, Nuyoricans are more American than Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico, yet they still are about as foreign as any other Hispanic minority. That says something about how "American" they are.

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And yes, they would leave. Something most of you don't grasp is that the only people in Puerto Rico who actually support independence are basically socialists and neo-Marxists. They are huge allies of Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc. An independent Puerto Rico would look like Venezuela ... Ruben Berrios, the head of the PIP, always tells us how much he admires Maduro, the dead Chavez, and the Castro brothers. It's simply not viable in the world we live in.
In the event that 50-something percent voted for independence, why would 50-something percent leave? Even then, half of the population only equals a bit over 1 million people. Hardly the tide of millions that you referred to in your first post. Those who want independence are useless Marxists, and those who want to be a state are brainwashed colonials. I am happy with Puerto Rico as a territory, providing an American controlled territory where we can vacation and buy winter homes. The Puerto Ricans have been rational enough in keeping their status as a territory, they cling to semblance of dignity, reap economic benefits, as well as the benefits of being US citizens.
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Old 11-29-2015, 07:15 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I am happy with Puerto Rico as a territory, providing an American controlled territory where we can vacation and buy winter homes. The Puerto Ricans have been rational enough in keeping their status as a territory, they cling to semblance of dignity, reap economic benefits, as well as the benefits of being US citizens.
I guess we can agree to disagree on statehood vs territory. Surprisingly enough there are some territory/"commonwealth"/"status quo" figures that I greatly admire; I think Luis Munoz Marin was one of the greatest federalist thinkers of all time. Rafael Hernandez Colon is another person for whom I have alot of respect.
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Old 12-01-2015, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Ohio, USA
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Would statehood raise the costs for everything in Puerto Rico?
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Seems like the most logical choice is to let the Puerto Rican people decide. As a country that started as a colony I think that the US should let Puerto Rico become a state (or go independent) if the Puerto Ricans are not happy with their present situation. I would welcome them as the 51st state if that is what they decide. I would be disappointed but understand if the people of Puerto Rico thought independence was their best course of action.

I have not studied the situation super closely, but my understanding is that the the US has gotten a lot of economic benefit from the current situation. It seems a bit odd that they were not made a state when our other large and somewhat populous territores (Alaska and Hawaii) were made states. They have been US citizens for almost 100 years and are the largest, most populous territory to not be a state. I think there have been periodic referendums starting in the 1960's where they chose to not become states, but the most recent one showed a majority of residents favored statehood.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:07 PM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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Puerto Rico debt makes it broke.

Puerto Rico Makes Debt Payment; Governor Issues 'Distress Call' - NBC News
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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They've had votes in the past, and the status quo always wins out. Even if we feel they should choose either statehood or independence to get the US out of the colonial business, there would still be what to do with Guam and the USVI.
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Old 12-02-2015, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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I said that it would be good for Americans to learn Spanish because it would put us in touch with the entire Western Hemisphere. Something that is sensible seeing as our neighbors who share a long border to the south already speak Spanish along with 100s of millions of others.
It would be good for Mexicans to learn English because it would put them in touch with the entire North/Western Hemisphere (except Quebec). Something that is sensible seeing as their neighbors who share a long border to the north already speak English along with 100s of millions of others.

Really, it's no different, is it? The reasons for Americans to learn Spanish are no more compelling than the reasons for Mexicans to learn English. So if you advocate for the United States to become a bilingual country, I assume you would do the same for Mexico? (And yes, I am very well aware that plenty of people in Mexico speak English . . . just like plenty of people in the United States speak Spanish.)


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Simple really. Talk to them. They are not American, and do not feel one itota American. That is why the huge pride in Spanish and the PR flag. Even here in Philadelphia it is almost silly the way they show off that flag and the whole "we are not American" thing.
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How is taking on a culturally foreign state that is twice as poor as Mississippi going to be an economic plus for Americans? I have more faith in Mississippi becoming the next Silicon Valley than Puerto Rico will suddenly experience an unprecedented economic miracle that will boost it to contending with America's poorest states. Puerto is poor, always has been.
I am really not interested in how Puerto Rican statehood would benefit Puerto Rico, but rather how Puerto Rican statehood would benefit the United States. And I just don't see the benefit to us. Indeed, the points made above are the reasons why I am opposed to Puerto Rico becoming a state. Simply put, they are not like us. Their history, their language, their culture, their traditions, their national heroes, their way of life has little to nothing in common with ours. They are, in essence, a foreign country. How is it of any possible benefit to the United States -- whose motto is E Pluribus Unum -- to willingly graft a culturally and linguistically foreign country into our Union? (Not to mention, how will it help us to take on a place that's so desperately poor, relatively speaking?)

Honestly, I don't really see how it benefits us to even have them as a territory. It seems to me that they ought to be independent; or it not, then they should become a territory of a country with a similar culture and language. But the United States is not that country.
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Old 12-02-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Israel should be the 51st state.
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