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View Poll Results: Should PR become a state?
Yes 64 44.44%
No 61 42.36%
Maybe 19 13.19%
Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-02-2015, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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UK has multiple nations and Spain has three languages (Catalan, Basque and Spanish), even France has multiple languages.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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It would be good for Mexicans to learn English because it would put them in touch with the entire North/Western Hemisphere (except Quebec). Something that is sensible seeing as their neighbors who share a long border to the north already speak English along with 100s of millions of others.

Really, it's no different, is it? The reasons for Americans to learn Spanish are no more compelling than the reasons for Mexicans to learn English. So if you advocate for the United States to become a bilingual country, I assume you would do the same for Mexico? (And yes, I am very well aware that plenty of people in Mexico speak English . . . just like plenty of people in the United States speak Spanish.)






I am really not interested in how Puerto Rican statehood would benefit Puerto Rico, but rather how Puerto Rican statehood would benefit the United States. And I just don't see the benefit to us. Indeed, the points made above are the reasons why I am opposed to Puerto Rico becoming a state. Simply put, they are not like us. Their history, their language, their culture, their traditions, their national heroes, their way of life has little to nothing in common with ours. They are, in essence, a foreign country. How is it of any possible benefit to the United States -- whose motto is E Pluribus Unum -- to willingly graft a culturally and linguistically foreign country into our Union? (Not to mention, how will it help us to take on a place that's so desperately poor, relatively speaking?)

Honestly, I don't really see how it benefits us to even have them as a territory. It seems to me that they ought to be independent; or it not, then they should become a territory of a country with a similar culture and language. But the United States is not that country.
Could not have said it better. Let them return to Spain if they want to be a territory of a large country, but we are not a match. I grew up in a Philly neighborhood that was changed overnight by a huge influx of Puerto Ricans. How on earth anyone can say they ought to be a state is beyond me. They share zero in Americaness. Zilch. They are far closer to Spain and their beloved Spanish language. And when you visit PR, it is immediately apparent you are in a foreign country. They shouldn't even be a territory, and their people should have to go thru normal immigration like any other foreign country. We need to cut them loose.

And I'll bet if put to a vote of the American people, the idea of PR as a state would lose in a landslide. Maybe that would finally let PR know they just aren't wanted as a state, and they will move on to independence.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:19 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Could not have said it better. Let them return to Spain if they want to be a territory of a large country, but we are not a match. I grew up in a Philly neighborhood that was changed overnight by a huge influx of Puerto Ricans. How on earth anyone can say they ought to be a state is beyond me. They share zero in Americaness. Zilch. They are far closer to Spain and their beloved Spanish language. And when you visit PR, it is immediately apparent you are in a foreign country. They shouldn't even be a territory, and their people should have to go thru normal immigration like any other foreign country. We need to cut them loose.

And I'll bet if put to a vote of the American people, the idea of PR as a state would lose in a landslide. Maybe that would finally let PR know they just aren't wanted as a state, and they will move on to independence.
I'm think Miami, too, would feel like a foreign country, but that doesn't make it so.

Your assertion that they have nothing to do Americanness is refuted by the simple fact that Americanness no longer refers to anything specific. That ship has long ago sailed. Nowadays, being American means having US citizenship, nothing more. Only papers and propositions really bind us together; America is a propositional 'nation'.

I do agree, though, that PR does not benefit the rest of us. Therefore, I support their independence and I oppose their incorporation into the union.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:43 AM
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Location: Boston
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If the Puerto Ricans want to become the 51st state, then yes.

Otherwise, no. (So I voted maybe)
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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If the Puerto Ricans want to become the 51st state, then yes.

Otherwise, no. (So I voted maybe)
Absolutely, if they want in definitely. But Puerto Rico has a pretty good thing going on. Plus they have a Spanish culture. I know Puerto Ricans in Boston and they like it how it is. Please forgive me for being ignorant.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Believe it or not, PR would become the third bilingual state in the US.
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Old 12-07-2015, 12:13 AM
 
Location: California
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[ QUOTE=tom77falcons;42139796]Could not have said it better. Let them return to Spain if they want to be a territory of a large country, but we are not a match. I grew up in a Philly neighborhood that was changed overnight by a huge influx of Puerto Ricans. How on earth anyone can say they ought to be a state is beyond me. They share zero in Americaness. Zilch. They are far closer to Spain and their beloved Spanish language. And when you visit PR, it is immediately apparent you are in a foreign country. They shouldn't even be a territory, and their people should have to go thru normal immigration like any other foreign country. We need to cut them loose.

And I'll bet if put to a vote of the American people, the idea of PR as a state would lose in a landslide. Maybe that would finally let PR know they just aren't wanted as a state, and they will move on to independence.[/quote]

Your an idiot! Ever herd of New Mexico? Should they not be a state because of the same reasons you cited puertorico; spanish language/culture, history and all around un Americanness. With that thinking we also ought to let California go as well because the majority of them are also hispanic. And don't forget Hawaii, that most un American place full of asians. Lousianna has french and Alaska used to be russian. Cut them off too, anything not 100% anglosaxon, cut em off! Murica!
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Old 12-07-2015, 12:26 AM
 
Location: California
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The US Federal government should apologies to the kingdom Spain for the imperialist Spanish-American war and Immediately return to Spain the islands of Puerto Rico, Guam and any and all other illegally annexed Spanish territory still under US federal possession!
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Old 12-07-2015, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Crowley, Louisiana
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Emphatically no. What kind of nation is it when you travel into the countryside and you can't speak the language.
It's actually pretty normal. There are many ppl here already who can't speak English. The U.S abducted Hawaii's queen and made Hawaii a state. They didn't even speak English.
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Old 12-07-2015, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Crowley, Louisiana
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I think whatever is best for Puerto Rucans. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody I'm fine with it.
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