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6.5 is my upper limit for reasonable time; the drive to the mountains can be as short as 3.5hrs, if you are leaving from, say, San Antonio.
That's the whole point; the OP said it him/herself that its effective range that matters, not whether the mountains are within borders or not. The effective range from Texas Triangle cities to Mexico's mountains is shorter than that to the Colorado Rockies, or to California. I am just putting forth the logistics; whether or not Texans actually take such trips is quite irrelevant to me, as the reasons for not doing so can be due entirely to misconceptions, such as that pertaining to drug violence. Again, most US citizens have no idea of the amount of interconnection border states have with the international countries; someone from Phoenix can easily take beach vacations on Rocky Point, someone from Brownsville can enjoy the Sombrero festival in Matamoros and vice versa, someone who works in San Diego can commute from a home in Mexico, etc.
Indeed...reality does seem to be irrelevant to you.
In the argument that residents of NC have better access and are more connected to both the beach and the mountains overall compared to Texans.....you've countered with ridiculous assertions that make no sense at all and that you just admitted yourself are irrelevant.
Most Texans are further from both the beach and the mountains than most North Carolinians. There's just no way around it.
There are plenty of reasons for someone to prefer living in TX over NC for personal reasons; but trying to argue against geographic facts to "prove" TX is "better" just makes you look desperate.
I would say about half of the population of Texas live in the scenic parts of the state. 9 million Texans live at or near the coast, from Beaumont to Brownsville. 1 million live in the mountains (El Paso area) and over 6 million live in or near the hill country area (Waco to San Antonio). Just decided to point that out.
6.5 is my upper limit for reasonable time; the drive to the mountains can be as short as 3.5hrs, if you are leaving from, say, San Antonio.
That's the whole point; the OP said it him/herself that its effective range that matters, not whether the mountains are within borders or not. The effective range from Texas Triangle cities to Mexico's mountains is shorter than that to the Colorado Rockies, or to California. I am just putting forth the logistics; whether or not Texans actually take such trips is quite irrelevant to me, as the reasons for not doing so can be due entirely to misconceptions, such as that pertaining to drug violence. Again, most US citizens have no idea of the amount of interconnection border states have with the international countries; someone from Phoenix can easily take beach vacations on Rocky Point, someone from Brownsville can enjoy the Sombrero festival in Matamoros and vice versa, someone who works in San Diego can commute from a home in Mexico, etc.
Effective range is greatly reduced by a border and a completely different country. There is no border between US states.
No one wants to deal with crossing the US-Mexico border. This isn't the EU
I would love to visit the mountains in Mexico, more specifically Monterrey, but with the drug cartel still running the country as well as chopping people's heads off. I myself and most people are going to reconsider going to Mexico.
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There's a hwy in northern Mexico called "Death Highway" leading from Matamorous MX (South of Brownsville TX) to Monterrey MX which is only 2 hrs from the Texas border. Everyday/ hr the police have to escort cars at a high rate of speed just to avoid deadly cartel road blocks. Plus the cartel hide in the mountains there as well. While you do have a point Wipeout that high mountains are alot closer to Texas than North Carolina but if your life is in danger then it's not worth going. Plus New Mexico and Colorado are close by where I can drive from Austin and be in Albuquerque & or Santa Fe in 10 hrs or so. Or I could hop on a plane and be there or in Denver in about 3- 4 hrs.
True, but the driving routes from the Texas Triangle cities to the Mexican mountain cities don't take you through the "Highway of Death." Besides, El Chapo's capture will, at least, put a dent in threat of drug cartels in Mexico.
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6.5 hours as an effective range to go anywhere? Dang, that makes practically most places from way up in Canada to the equator convenient for practically anybody living near an airport anywhere in the US. No different at all then driving 6.5 hours to see a mountain in another country.
No it doesn't.
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Indeed...reality does seem to be irrelevant to you.
In the argument that residents of NC have better access and are more connected to both the beach and the mountains overall compared to Texans.....you've countered with ridiculous assertions that make no sense at all and that you just admitted yourself are irrelevant.
Most Texans are further from both the beach and the mountains than most North Carolinians. There's just no way around it.
There are plenty of reasons for someone to prefer living in TX over NC for personal reasons; but trying to argue against geographic facts to "prove" TX is "better" just makes you look desperate.
Because the main idea at hand was concerning merely the access to the mountains from the Texas Triangle cities, which is indeed close enough. Of course, you have problems like the threat of drug cartels (lessened with El Chapo's capture), but in terms of strictly distance, most Texas Triangle cities are within reasonable driving range/time. And those mountains are taller than those in NC. Thus, even though distances between Texas cities, and higher mountains may be a little farther than the distance from NC cities to mountains, the magnificence of the Mexican mountain destinations makes up for that disparity. Thus, the argument of access for both states is, at minimum, a stalemate, with Texas as the victor, if one is looking for as much magnificence as possible.
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Effective range is greatly reduced by a border and a completely different country. There is no border between US states.
No one wants to deal with crossing the US-Mexico border. This isn't the EU
Obviously
Tell this to the loads of Phoenicians that regularly cross the border from Arizona just to take weekend beach vacations at Rocky Point. Those who don't live in border states have no idea of the amount of intimate intermingling US citizens can have with foreigners, and their amenities (and vice versa).
True, but the driving routes from the Texas Triangle cities to the Mexican mountain cities don't take you through the "Highway of Death." Besides, El Chapo's capture will, at least, put a dent in threat of drug cartels in Mexico.
I sure hope so beacuse Northern Mexico is beautiful. But still taking the hwy from Laredo to Monterrey can be dangerous at times. I just hope oneday the whole situation with the Cartels end soon.
Originally Posted by marlinfshr View Post
6.5 hours as an effective range to go anywhere? Dang, that makes practically most places from way up in Canada to the equator convenient for practically anybody living near an airport anywhere in the US. No different at all then driving 6.5 hours to see a mountain in another country.
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No it doesn't.
How not? 6.5 hours is 6.5 hours. Plane, car, horse, walking, or boat. If it takes 6 1/2 hours to get someplace that's what it takes. So I can get to big mountains in a foreign country just as quick as someone living in Texas can!
True, but the driving routes from the Texas Triangle cities to the Mexican mountain cities don't take you through the "Highway of Death." Besides, El Chapo's capture will, at least, put a dent in threat of drug cartels in Mexico.
No it doesn't.
Because the main idea at hand was concerning merely the access to the mountains from the Texas Triangle cities, which is indeed close enough. Of course, you have problems like the threat of drug cartels (lessened with El Chapo's capture), but in terms of strictly distance, most Texas Triangle cities are within reasonable driving range/time. And those mountains are taller than those in NC. Thus, even though distances between Texas cities, and higher mountains may be a little farther than the distance from NC cities to mountains, the magnificence of the Mexican mountain destinations makes up for that disparity. Thus, the argument of access for both states is, at minimum, a stalemate, with Texas as the victor, if one is looking for as much magnificence as possible.
Tell this to the loads of Phoenicians that regularly cross the border from Arizona just to take weekend beach vacations at Rocky Point. Those who don't live in border states have no idea of the amount of intimate intermingling US citizens can have with foreigners, and their amenities (and vice versa).
Alright kid...you win.
Texans have easier access to and utilize the mountains recreational/vacation qualities more often than North Carolinians
]How not? 6.5 hours is 6.5 hours. Plane, car, horse, walking, or boat. If it takes 6 1/2 hours to get someplace that's what it takes. So I can get to big mountains in a foreign country just as quick as someone living in Texas can!
Charlotte to the Blue Ridge mountain area is 2.5 hrs. If I take a plane from Houston to Monterrey, instead of doing the drive, I can get to tall mountains at a faster time than it takes for someone in Charlotte to drive to their far shorter mountains. What is your point?
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Alright kid...you win.
Texans have easier access to and utilize the mountains recreational/vacation qualities more often than North Carolinians
TX is also winning in the poll here.
I am just laying out the logistics and hard-facts as it is, and making my judgement on that basis. Whatever you post will not refute the hard facts I put forth, and the polls, usually, are worthless.
Charlotte to the Blue Ridge mountain area is 2.5 hrs. If I take a plane from Houston to Monterrey, instead of doing the drive, I can get to tall mountains at a faster time than it takes for someone in Charlotte to drive to their far shorter mountains. What is your point?
My point is that since YOU brought up that being within 6.5 hours is a reasonable distance from anything, I am just stating in that case a 6 1/2 hour plane ride would be comparable. So based on that, it doesn't really matter where you live in this great country of ours. If you live near an airport, you live within 6 1/2 hours of some of the tallest mountains and nicest beaches around. Anywhere. Car/plane, what's the difference when it comes to that. Hell, I just got back from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down south in the Colombian Andes (talking about tall mountains) and that plane ride was only about 5 hours from NJ.
Now back to the subject so no need to get your panty's twisted as this is just personal opinions and just like a-holes, we all got one. As I stated earlier I'll take the Blue Ridge over any others, tall/short/rocky/tropical/jagged/or whatever. There is just something about them that I love. Maybe it's the color change. Perhaps that misty, eerie haze? The greenery? The seasonal change? Who knows but I think they are beautiful. I'm not saying the Texas ones are lacking, just that I prefer the ones in Carolina.
I don't even live in North Carolina, I live near a beach a couple states above there. But I feel lucky that I am within a reasonable drive to the Blue Ridge mountains to the SW and some of the prettiest beaches around just a few hours south of me on NC's outer banks.
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