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Thank you for clarifying. I believe the Census groups the four of us together, but then again I don't necessarily agree with the Census groupings... Especially on that 2015 estimates thread that's gotten a ton of replies now. Texas in particular seems to have different growth patterns and it's huge population tends to skew it for NM and AZ with that grouping. I personally think Texas could even be it's own group, it's diverse and large enough for that.
Heck even New Mexico and Arizona have a lot of differences. I may even argue that Arizona is more similar to Nevada at this point as far as culture, but that's for another time.
To be on topic with the thread, I don't know the answer to this. But I did spend some time in D.C. and NOVA and that didn't feel Southern at all, at least when compared to Orlando and New Orleans.
The Census places Oklahoma in the "West South Central" with Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana.
There are many maps, however, which seem to group Oklahoma/Texas with Arizona and New Mexico.
You have to give Virginia some credit with all the Confederate history (Robert E. Lee, Richmond) when Oklahoma wasn't even a state during the Civil War, but it's definitely a popular opinion that Virginia metros have lost a lot of southern flavor over the years. Still, it also depends on where you're from. When I went to Oklahoma City, it didn't strike me as remotely southern at all. Tulsa seemed more so, but not on the same level as Richmond. Then again, I'm from Raleigh.
You have to give Virginia some credit with all the Confederate history (Robert E. Lee, Richmond) when Oklahoma wasn't even a state during the Civil War, but it's definitely a popular opinion that Virginia metros have lost a lot of southern flavor over the years. Still, it also depends on where you're from. When I went to Oklahoma City, it didn't strike me as remotely southern at all. Tulsa seemed more so, but not on the same level as Richmond. Then again, I'm from Raleigh.
I absolutely do; God rest his soul.
Oklahoma, while a territory, among others was perhaps most influenced by the South. All of my ancestors which fought in the Civil War were Grey Coats hailing from North Carolina, Georgia, and Mississippi.
Virginia's problem is just that it has been subjected to so much transplantation. It seems like the overwhelming majority on this thread have opted for Oklahoma. I'm sure that's because of NOVA. No doubt.
Also, I do agree with you that Tulsa feels more Southern than OK City, which has the feel of a Southwestern city too, kinda like a more Southern version of Amarillo. Once you get outside of the Tulsa and OK City metros the Southern culture becomes quite prominent, as some on here have mentioned.
Oklahoma is more south-western, while parts if Virginia are more old South, while much of it is more eastern in attitude. The western part is more like east Tennessee.
Oklahoma is more south-western, while parts if Virginia are more old South, while much of it is more eastern in attitude. The western part is more like east Tennessee.
Haven't been to either (though I live 45 minutes from the Oklahoma border) but I'd say Virginia, particularly for geography. When I think of "the south" I think of lots of trees, not a lot of rolling plains like in much of OK and TX.
I've only been to the tourist area's Washington and Virginia Beach, but when vacationing I never felt like I was in the South
Yeah, the NoVA area surrounding DC and coastal Virginia are the least Southern parts of the state. I imagine somewhere like Ronoake feels very much like the South.
I've never been to Oklahoma's panhandle, but I know the Texas panhandle is culturally similar to much of Oklahoma. Amarillo and OKC are very similar places. You have to get into New Mexico, where the population is historically more Catholic than Baptist, before you really start seeing a cultural change.
Yeah, the NoVA area surrounding DC and coastal Virginia are the least Southern parts of the state. I imagine somewhere like Ronoake feels very much like the South.
I've never been to Oklahoma's panhandle, but I know the Texas panhandle is culturally similar to much of Oklahoma. Amarillo and OKC are very similar places. You have to get into New Mexico, where the population is historically more Catholic than Baptist, before you really start seeing a cultural change.
Being Baptist doesn't make a place Southern. Is it a Southern influence? Yes but that's all it is by itself.
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