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The populated centers of Iowa from Des Moines to the east and to the north have far more in common culturally, religiously and politically with Wisconsin and Minnesota than they ever do with Indiana or downstate Illinois.
I wasn't using culture as my main measuring stick. I was going with climate and topography, with a little culture as a tiebreaker maybe.
I frankly thing lumping a place like Nebraska or North Dakota with a place like Indiana or Ohio and calling them both Midwestern states is ridiculous.
When someone says, I'm from the midwest, I think of 7 states, generally (MINN, IOWA, WIS, IL, MICH, IND, OHIO).
Nobody is talking about Oklahoma - to me, Kansas, Oklahoma and Nebraska should be considered in the same region. And not the midwest.
I do realize the plains states are lumped in with midwest often when trying to keep the total # of groups small, but there really should be two groups. Should be 8 distinct regions
I wasn't using culture as my main measuring stick. I was going with climate and topography, with a little culture as a tiebreaker maybe.
I frankly thing lumping a place like Nebraska or North Dakota with a place like Indiana or Ohio and calling them both Midwestern states is ridiculous.
When someone says, I'm from the midwest, I think of 7 states, generally (MINN, IOWA, WIS, IL, MICH, IND, OHIO).
Nobody is talking about Oklahoma - to me, Kansas, Oklahoma and Nebraska should be considered in the same region. And not the midwest.
I do realize the plains states are lumped in with midwest often when trying to keep the total # of groups small, but there really should be two groups. Should be 8 distinct regions
Debatable states = MO,PA,WV (50) - no idea where these three go
Pennsylvania is without a doubt Northeastern. Missouri is Midwestern. West Virginia is Southern. Oklahoma is not a Plains state but a Southern state. I have to disagree about Plains states not being Midwestern. They share the same culture and linguistics as the Midwest states to the east of them. I also disagree about grouping in Texas with New Mexico and Arizona. Texas shares far more in common culturally linguistically and demographically with the South.
Pennsylvania is without a doubt Northeastern. Missouri is Midwestern. West Virginia is Southern. Oklahoma is not a Plains state but a Southern state. I have to disagree about Plains states not being Midwestern. They share the same culture and linguistics as the Midwest states to the east of them. I also disagree about grouping in Texas with New Mexico and Arizona. Texas shares far more in common culturally linguistically and demographically with the South.
These are all your opinions. Do you have any sources or evidence to support them?
Both show that most of Missouri has the same dialect and demographics as other Midwestern states and show Pennsylvania can be grouped in with the Northeast albeit having a large German population along with western New York and Maryland. It also shows Texas belongs in the South at least linguistically.
looks accurate except possibly SD not being great plains
the granite mountains and black hills just don't seem very "plainsie"
The western US starts about 100 W longitude as any eastern agriculture (that isn't irrigated) is not possible there at all. Population densities are generally far less along and west of this line, having no commonality with the rural areas of the Midwest that have higher population densities within their rural counties. Dryland farming and ranching combined with energy development is common in this region as well.
Yeah Texas is kind of in a league by itself. If you remove it from the SW region, there really isn't a SW region though. I'd just move AZ and NM into Mountain West and remove Southwest as a region entirely.
Both show that most of Missouri has the same dialect and demographics as other Midwestern states and show Pennsylvania can be grouped in with the Northeast albeit having a large German population along with western New York and Maryland. It also shows Texas belongs in the South at least linguistically.
Those two maps are what you base every single one of your assertions on, however you're grossly oversimplifying the complexity of regional identity. Accents and ancestry are not the only factors that determine regional identity. Religion, culture, and history are other big factors that don't necessarily correspond to linguistic and ancestral lines. The fact that Missouri is the only majority Baptist state in the midwest should tell you that it has qualities that identify it more with the South than the Midwest.
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