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Old 03-30-2016, 11:09 AM
 
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Specifically Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston and San Antonio. We all know why some people don't consider Texas the South (beef bbq, Tex-Mex, Mexican culture, cowboys, etc.) but why is Southern Louisiana still considered the South when their culture is so much different than the rest of the region (French influence, Catholicism, Cajun/Creole food, accent, etc.)?
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Old 03-30-2016, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I have no idea and never knew it was (or wasn't) considered southern, maybe try the La forum?
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Old 03-30-2016, 11:51 AM
 
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[quote=Trainwreck20;43539317]I have no idea and never knew it was (or wasn't) considered southern, maybe try the La forum?[/QUOTE

My opinion as well.
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Old 03-30-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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The part of Texas not considered all that southern is the far west and far south portions of the state, where the terrain, climate, and culture is significantly different from the south. Most of Texas is considered southern. Dallas and Houston are both southern cities. El Paso is the largest Texas city that is not.
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Old 03-30-2016, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Houston TX
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I believe the reason is that Texas is much newer state, so it had less time to blend in the US culture compared to Louisiana.
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Old 03-30-2016, 05:37 PM
 
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Cowboy culture and Mexican influence aren't very southern. There's too much of the Wild West in Texas.
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Old 03-30-2016, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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To me New Orleans is part of the South... You have the Southern weather, the Southern architecture (with some of the French architecture as well near the Quarter, the rest of it looks like the rest of the South that I've seen), the Southern attitude (extroverted, etc.), and so on. New Orleans has a unique history and some of this history still resonates in modern day NOLA but it's not something so isolating to remove it from the South. New Orleans isn't as different from the rest of the South as Miami is. Miami I can understand to be not considered part of the South... New Orleans I don't get. Miami is so influenced by its immigrants, particularly the Caribbean, New York, and its role in pop culture that it doesn't match the South at all. I assume that at one point Miami was Southern in behavior, probably during its founding, but has drastically changed. New Orleans has not, if anything may be more stereotypically Southern than it used to be given the decreasing prominence of French Creole over there. Other than the unique New Orleans accent it isn't that different, especially in behavior. They eat Southern cuisine, they have that Southern charm... It checks out IMO.

Texas is weird to me. I am five hours from El Paso and I always forget about that, and it still shocks me seeing El Paso on the I-10 signs because in my mind I view Texas as being much further away, as I associate Texas with Dallas and Houston. Houston is actually very close to New Orleans for one thing, outside of the French thing they probably have some similarities. I've never been in Texas, except for layovers, so I can't talk about that. But, if El Paso is considered Southern than so is Tucson. So at one point the Southernness in Texas ends, so Texas isn't "Southern" in every inch of its state... If the "Southern" in Texas ends fairly far East, and the majority of the state isn't "Southern" in behavior, can the whole State of Texas even be considered Southern? Again, that's my assumption on why it's debated, and New Orleans is not.
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Old 03-30-2016, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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The part of Texas not considered all that southern is the far west and far south portions of the state, where the terrain, climate, and culture is significantly different from the south. Most of Texas is considered southern. Dallas and Houston are both southern cities. El Paso is the largest Texas city that is not.
I would agree that Houston is a "southern" city, but Dallas is a hybrid of southern and great plains.

Southern Louisiana is considered southern by geography, climate, flora and fauna. Perhaps the Cajun and Creole makes it unique but no less southern as you don't find those types of people anywhere else but the south (in the US)
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Draw a vertical line straight through the middle of Texas. East of that line is southern in character, history, etc. West of that line - not as much.

All of Louisiana is southern to the core. There are many varieties of "southern" and Louisiana is just one variety. East Texas is another variety. Appalachia is another variety. The Low Country is another one. The Gulf. The Outer Banks. Tobacco country. The Chesapeake Bay area. I could go on but you get my drift.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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To me New Orleans is part of the South... You have the Southern weather, the Southern architecture (with some of the French architecture as well near the Quarter, the rest of it looks like the rest of the South that I've seen), the Southern attitude (extroverted, etc.), and so on. New Orleans has a unique history and some of this history still resonates in modern day NOLA but it's not something so isolating to remove it from the South. New Orleans isn't as different from the rest of the South as Miami is. Miami I can understand to be not considered part of the South... New Orleans I don't get. Miami is so influenced by its immigrants, particularly the Caribbean, New York, and its role in pop culture that it doesn't match the South at all. I assume that at one point Miami was Southern in behavior, probably during its founding, but has drastically changed. New Orleans has not, if anything may be more stereotypically Southern than it used to be given the decreasing prominence of French Creole over there. Other than the unique New Orleans accent it isn't that different, especially in behavior. They eat Southern cuisine, they have that Southern charm... It checks out IMO.

Texas is weird to me. I am five hours from El Paso and I always forget about that, and it still shocks me seeing El Paso on the I-10 signs because in my mind I view Texas as being much further away, as I associate Texas with Dallas and Houston. Houston is actually very close to New Orleans for one thing, outside of the French thing they probably have some similarities. I've never been in Texas, except for layovers, so I can't talk about that. But, if El Paso is considered Southern than so is Tucson. So at one point the Southernness in Texas ends, so Texas isn't "Southern" in every inch of its state... If the "Southern" in Texas ends fairly far East, and the majority of the state isn't "Southern" in behavior, can the whole State of Texas even be considered Southern? Again, that's my assumption on why it's debated, and New Orleans is not.
I honestly don't think most people would consider El Paso is a Southern state. It's just it is in a state that identifies with itself as being Southern the most. The Trans-Pecos area and the Valley is probably the least Southern part of Texas.
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