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Old 04-14-2016, 05:42 AM
 
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I don't feel the heat and humidity is oppressive. Right now as I type this, I'm on my balcony. I'm in shorts and short sleeves but my AC is not on, there is a pleasant breeze and it feels lovely. During the 3 months of July/August/September it's around 90 degrees and very humid, but it's very tolerable. Though I'm a warm weather guy, my ideal is 85 year-round.

Now crime, is a problem as much as I hate to admit. Even Miami Beach which is fairly prosperous has a lot of crime - mostly generated from homeless and tourists. There are around 10 homicides a year here, in a city of less than 100k people. I feel the police can be more proactive. One thing I noticed about Santa Monica versus Miami Beach was the amount of policing. In Santa Monica if you so much as jaywalk you can get a ticket, here cars blast through red all the time without repercussions. In fact two federal agents were killed when a car drove onto the *sidewalk* and ran them over. That's the level of enforcement of traffic rules in this city and in extension other crime as well.
That is scary and awful the about those Federal agents. It's just the attitude of not caring for human life anymore. I'm sure there is alot of drinking and driving.. It doesn't seem like a nice area to raise a family.
That's not my type of lifestyle. My partying days are way over.
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Old 04-14-2016, 06:39 AM
 
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That is scary and awful the about those Federal agents. It's just the attitude of not caring for human life anymore. I'm sure there is alot of drinking and driving.. It doesn't seem like a nice area to raise a family.
That's not my type of lifestyle. My partying days are way over.
To raise a family no, it's a great place to be single or retired.

If I were to raise a family in Miami, it would be Key Biscayne. It's also an island, but quiet with a nice community feel and gorgeous houses. You have some events that come specifically there like the Boat Show and the Miami Open (if you're into tennis). There are some nice restaurants, but if you ever get bored of what's on Key Biscayne it's a short drive (or boat ride) to the rest of Miami. However I feel that schools there are good, crime is low, and it's peaceful.
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Old 04-14-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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Why is almost everyone saying the healthcare is not good in Florida? You mentioned the Mayo Clinic, is that an actual Hospital with Dr. practices that are affiliated with it or is it just a research facility?

During the opressive heat and humidity during the summer does living near a beach really make a difference with having the ocean breeze?

With all this talk about the horrible humidity and not very good health care is making me choose to not move to Florida.
Mayo is one of the finest hospitals in the nation. Most of the doctors in the Atlantic Beach area of come out of there system. Aren't you in the healthcare industry? Your not being familiar with Mayo is astonishing! Maybe you shoul just stay in New York, it appears to me you can't process facts from fiction in these posts.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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Mayo is one of the finest hospitals in the nation. Most of the doctors in the Atlantic Beach area of come out of there system. Aren't you in the healthcare industry? Your not being familiar with Mayo is astonishing! Maybe you shoul just stay in New York, it appears to me you can't process facts from fiction in these posts.
Let people stay or move to CA, then FL will not become as crowded as so much of CA is.

(Note the areas of CA where the vast majority of CA residents live or where the majority of people want to live.)
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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If you enjoy humidity and bugs (mosquitos)...FL

I've been living in CA over 50 yrs from PA. Vacationed in FL a lot and came back here with tons of bites.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Naples Island
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California is very different from Florida.

Cities in California such as Los Angeles, Long Beach, San Francisco and Oakland are much older and more established than those in Florida, so they tend to be more urban, walkable, densely-populated and cosmopolitan by comparison.

Public transportation infrastructure is more comprehensive and utilization rates, higher in California than in Florida. There are also more collective efforts among legislators, citizens and special interest groups alike to expand public transportation infrastructure and increase utilization to reduce automobile dependency and, in the process, improve the general flow of traffic in the state's largest metropolitan areas.

California cities also have far more pre-WWII architecture compared to Florida, the latter of which wasn't really developed until the advent of air conditioning in the mid-to-late 20th century. That’s not to mention that, from the 1970’s onward, Florida developers pretty much bulldozed what remained in terms of early-to-mid 20th century structures to make way for new development. Historical preservation is not one of Florida’s strong suits.

Overall, California has much more pleasant weather than Florida - much less humid and stormy; cooler, drier springs, summers, and autumns; significantly less potential for dangerous weather events such as thunderstorms, tornadoes, hurricanes and tropical depressions; and less potential for severe flooding. Not to mention there’s far more climatic variation in California, ranging from Mediterranean, oceanic, alpine, high and low desert, etc.

In Florida, it rains nearly every day for 8-9 months and the intense humidity lasts for 9-10 months, depending on the year. The "rainy season" in Florida, which starts in early-to-mid May and lasts until late October, can be very gloomy. "Clear" days, at least by California standards, are almost non-existent in Florida, especially in the summertime.

The nature and varied terrain of California - ocean, mountain, and desert vistas; canyons; forests; grasslands; wetlands; etc. - is much more spectacular than the flat, uninspiring swampy scrubland scenery of Florida. FWIW, snow-capped mountain vistas aren't visible from the beach in Florida, not that any type of mountain vistas exist in Florida to begin with.

For those of you arguing that beaches are "better" in Florida than those in California, name a beach in Florida that's more spectacular than Strands, Monarch, or Thousand Steps Beach or Abalone Cove in Southern California or Big Sur on the Central Coast. Ya, didn't think so.

The milder, less volatile weather and more varied terrain of coastal California encourage outdoor activity and recreation, helping California attain its status as one of the healthiest states in the country. Hiking, mountain biking and surfing among other outdoor recreational activities are much more popular in California. Although better than most Southern states in health metrics, Florida has higher incidences of smoking, obesity, and chronic illness such as diabetes and hypertension than California, partly due to more lower-income individuals and families and less emphasis on active, healthy lifestyles overall.

California has a stronger, more diversified economy than Florida. There's a larger corporate presence and more well-paying industry in California such as IT, biotech, nanotech, life sciences, and investment banking to name a few, so your average Californian tends to be higher earning and more gainfully employed than your average Floridian. Even low-wage, low-skill workers in the manufacturing, trade, and healthcare sectors in California enjoy higher comparative wages, more comprehensive non-wage benefits and better state-level rights and protections than their counterparts in Florida, which is a RTW state with very limited union participation rates. Compared to California, Florida has a service-oriented economy with a strong hospitality/tourism orientation, a sector that is notorious for low wages, limited non-wage benefits and non-existent upward economic mobility. Consistent with Arizona, the service-oriented economy of Florida neither breeds nor attracts highly ambitious youth, so a lot of younger people in Florida tend to be apathetic and complacent. The younger people who are educated and career-oriented tend to move to other states after college, up to and including California.

California is home to a much better educated, more talented workforce - and general populace, for that matter - than Florida, which is one of the reasons why so much modern innovation comes from California. In addition to a strong history of innovation, California has a more competitive ethos, entrepreneurial spirit and intellectual vibe than Florida. This, of course, is due to a multitude of factors, but primarily the greater abundance of well-paying industry as well as more prestigious institutions of higher learning in California.

Because Florida is less educated and cosmopolitan than California in general, you'll encounter much more intolerance and small-mindedness in Florida than in California, not to mention much less support for progressive ideals and movements such as hybrid and electric cars, the "green" movement (i.e., recycling, curbing emissions, etc.), medical marijuana, same-sex marriage, organic eating and living, farmers markets and community-supported agriculture, smoking bans, caps on land development and so forth.

People are a lot more open, tolerant, and accepting in California - no cares what religion you are, where you're from or who you sleep with. There's definitely more of a counterculture element in California compared to just about anywhere in Florida - more hippies, more nature-lovers, more spiritual folks, etc. There's also significantly less tolerance for aggression, shadiness and deviance. Overall, I find California to be a much more humane place than Florida.

In reality, living in Florida is like living in the South, but without the politeness, friendliness and hospitality. The general lack of civility and common courtesy in the major cities is frightening and is due in large part to "six degrees of separation." People are friendlier and more pleasant in California than in Florida, hands down, which is a far less transient, anonymous society.

Unlike California, Florida is loaded with miserable transplants from the Northeast, although mostly New York and New Jersey, who have that lousy "tough-guy" attitude that remains in place even after living in Florida for 20 years - constantly striving to be rude, argumentative, combative, ghetto, shrewd, "street-smart" or some other variant of "tough" while trying to deceive or "put one over" on you in any way possible.

Then, you have to contend with the shady transient element in Florida. IME, everyone down there has a story, and most of the time, it's not pretty. Lots of people in Florida are running from something in their past - a violent ex, a criminal record, an abusive childhood, a history of drug and/or alcohol abuse, a dysfunctional family of origin, a series of legal disputes, etc. People have a lot of "baggage" down there, for sure, which is why there's much more crime and many more drug and social issues in Florida than in California, generally speaking.

However, the worst part about Florida, IMO, is the transplants who move down from the Tri-State area and into shiny new tract homes in gated communities, thinking they've "arrived" like the second coming of the Messiah. Before long, these people think they're rich and, in their minds, "rich" people are rude, even though most people with family and long-term wealth are quite down-to-earth (as anyone who has spent any time at all in California knows). So now, these people begin looking down their noses at people in service industry jobs, treating them like crap. While living in South Florida, I witnessed absolutely horrid behavior among transplants, especially older ones, when talking to store clerks or restaurant servers. I never witnessed anything even remotely comparable in Southern California.

Believe it or not, most of the people who live in California were born in California, so there's a much stronger, more well-defined state culture, and civic pride and engagement levels tend to be higher. There's less in the way of voter apathy in California, and all of the professional sports teams have larger, more dedicated fan-bases than any team I can think of in Florida, where most sporting events draw larger away-team crowds than home-team crowds. To say that there's a stronger sense of community in your average California communities vs. your average Florida community is an understatement.

California is a lot less transient, too. In addition to many more natives - and very proud, dyed-in-the-wool natives, I might add - California is the type of place where people move to, assimilate to the local culture, and stay whereas Florida, OTOH, is more of a place where people come, complain and leave. People in California pledge their allegiance to California, even if they're from elsewhere originally, whereas people in Florida are more likely to pledge their allegiance to New York, Massachusetts, Illinois or whatever crap-hole Eastern state they crawled out of. That alone should speak volumes to anyone deciding between the two states.

I've lived in both, and without a doubt, the weather, scenery, culture, people and lifestyle among other facets of California are vastly superior to that of Florida. It's not even much of a contest, really.

California, FTW.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I have a friend who is from PA, lived in Miami for 25 yrs, drove across country in late 80's and would NEVER live in FL again. She goes back to visit her 93 yr old mother but can't wait to get back here.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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I have a friend who is from PA, lived in Miami for 25 yrs, drove across country in late 80's and would NEVER live in FL again. She goes back to visit her 93 yr old mother but can't wait to get back here.
Let's not get dramatic - a lot of people left California as well and swear that they hated it. I'm not one of those (as I openly stated, I like my home state) but I meet many of them. I also meet many transplants who moved to California and back and complain about the cookie cutter sprawl and lack of culture. In particular I know someone here from Miami (Coral Gables) who moved to San Diego and then moved back to Miami complaining about the lack of culture and diversity there and the fact he felt the city to be boring.

Re mosquitos, not a problem at all on Miami Beach. No-seeums are though but the beaches in SoCal have a problem with gnats that gravitate to washed up kelp.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Naples Island
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In particular I know someone here from Miami (Coral Gables) who moved to San Diego and then moved back to Miami complaining about the lack of culture and diversity there and the fact he felt the city to be boring.
Why, because people in San Diego speak English and have more stereotypical American mannerisms and interests than people in Miami? Please.
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Old 04-14-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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That is so sad What is causing their deaths?
They get a fit when they think FL has so many gators.

Probably higher temps in the sea depleting their food source. The oceans are under major stress since last year.
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