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Old 05-11-2016, 08:23 AM
 
Location: KCMO
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I've lived in many areas of the Midwest, KC will always be close to the edge of the region in many ways.
I wouldn't KC being a sunbelt or western city, but the fact of the matter is we are midwest.

Mods, this thread should probably be moved to the City vs City forum
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Old 05-11-2016, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Arch City
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What weather station are you using? Downtown airport averages 16.8 a year probably due to urban heat island but that's the more accurate measurement for anyone in the central city. It does get quite cold still though so I agree with that though averages are warmer than almost everywhere else in the Midwest year round.

For comparison, upper south Louisville International Airport averages 24 inches a year.
That's not accurate. According to wunderground.com Louisville edges 14 inches a year.
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Old 05-11-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Arch City
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The average annual snowfall for KC has now dropped to 16-17 inches per winter. The fact of the matter is that KC often shuts down over a couple of inches of snowfall (especially the schools) which is a complete joke if you're comparing it the vast majority of the Midwest or anywhere in the north.
KC is culturally, linguistically, and demographically Midwestern. It is more similar to Minneapolis Omaha and Des Moines than to Tulsa, OKC, Little Rock or Dallas.
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Old 05-11-2016, 01:12 PM
 
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KC is culturally, linguistically, and demographically Midwestern. It is more similar to Minneapolis Omaha and Des Moines than to Tulsa, OKC, Little Rock or Dallas.
Pretty much regardless of what region they are in (or, in the case of GranitStater, what region you pretend they are in) KC and Omaha are certainly in the region, and cities cut from a very similar cloth. As I said earlier, I cannot imagine liking one and not the other, and while I think KC has some advantages, they are almost all a direct result of being a significantly larger city, and I for many people there might be just as many advantages to being a smaller city. I know I have never had much interest in living in a big city, and have always preferred mid sized cities, so it's very believable to me that exactly the things that make me like KC more, might make someone else prefer Omaha.
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Old 05-12-2016, 06:31 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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That's not accurate. According to wunderground.com Louisville edges 14 inches a year.
I pulled the data from Wikipedia which in turn pulled the data from NOAA

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/nor...21.normals.txt
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:38 PM
 
Location: IN
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Other cities that are actually closer to the "edge of the region" than KC is to your definition of the end of the Midwest include:

Omaha, Minneapolis, Detroit, Green Bay, Toledo, Akron, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Cincinnati, St Louis, Milwaukee, Fort Wayne, Springfield IL, Columbus, Indianapolis, and Chicago.

Keep trying though. You have succesfully convinced no one that KC is not in the Midwest, despite years of blathering on.
KC being near the periphery of the Midwest is very much influenced by other regions and is barely removed from the South as well. In terms of climate, KC will never have much in common with the majority of the Midwest and that is a fact (for better or worse). KC never acts like a northern city at all when it comes to winter weather, but it certainly can put on quite the drama fest over a couple inches of snow. With average temperatures increasing with time, KC will be very similar to other areas of the South in terms of CLIMATE.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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KC being near the periphery of the Midwest is very much influenced by other regions and is barely removed from the South as well. In terms of climate, KC will never have much in common with the majority of the Midwest and that is a fact (for better or worse). KC never acts like a northern city at all when it comes to winter weather, but it certainly can put on quite the drama fest over a couple inches of snow. With average temperatures increasing with time, KC will be very similar to other areas of the South in terms of CLIMATE.
KC isn't at the southern boundary of the Midwest. That boundary is roughly 100 miles to the south of KC at Joplin.
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Old 05-13-2016, 05:27 PM
 
Location: IN
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KC isn't at the southern boundary of the Midwest. That boundary is roughly 100 miles to the south of KC at Joplin.
The South is substantially closer to KC than that, but some would disagree.
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Old 05-14-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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Both are good cities. Omaha is like a mini-KC, maybe a little bit less blight. KC is a bit big for me, I personally would prefer Omaha. KC is solidly Midwestern. I'd agree Joplin is still a Midwestern city with hints of Southern culture. The Ozarks are somewhat Southern, but some of that is just for show. Most tourists to the Ozarks and Branson are from up north. The Ozarks, even into NW Arkansas have lost a lot of their Southerness. My father grew up in NE Kansas and went to college in NW Arkansas and he said its night and day difference from when he was younger. At least here the Midwestern culture is moving farther south.

KC weather of course will be warmer then its northern neighbors, but that doesn't make it less Midwestern. Regardless we are talking about Omaha and KC, the two cities are basically twins.
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Old 05-14-2016, 06:48 AM
 
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The South is substantially closer to KC than that, but some would disagree.
The Southern culture in SE Kansas and SW Missouri are very limited. Joplin, Pittsburg, Springfield, even Branson are mostly Midwestern. Joplin is over 100 miles from KC. I think you would find very few people who would define Joplin or Pittsburg as Southern.
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